Rifleman Archive

A couple months ago, one of the Devs made a post in the Correspondent Forum about how he thought Armor really worked in the game. Your predecessor posted the message here, prompting much discussion. You can read the thread here, if you like. Our eventual conclusion was that the Dev who made the post didn't have a clue as to how the Armor Piercing system actually worked in the game.

A couple of weeks after we hashed all that out, the October 8th patch very briefly changed the Armor/AP system to work in a manner that -- aside from the values, which got reversed -- worked like the dev said it did, and not like it's been working since the game started.

This caused me tremendous concern, because if the Armor/AP system is changed to reflect the way the Dev was stating it worked, it would be an extreme reverse nerf for high AP weapons -- which is the bread and butter of us Rifle types. Fortunately, within a few days, they changed the system back to the way it had been previously, and all was well.

According to the Weaponsmith Correspondent, however, the Devs are once again claiming that the Armor/AP system works in a way entirely differently from how it actually works, which once again has me worried that they're going to try and revamp the Armor/AP system.

You have access to the Correspondent Forum, so you have access to more info from the Devs than I do. It may be that the Weaponsmith Correspondent has misinterpreted an old post or something.

But if he hasn't, and if the Devs are once again floating this new, revised Armor/AP system, then it's time for you to step up to the plate and show them the error of their ways. The proposed Armor/AP system will be a major, major reverse nerf for us. It will SIGNIFICANTLY increase the effectiveness of AP0 and AP1 weapons, while providing little or no increase to the effectiveness of AP2 and AP3 weapons. Thus nerfing us by comparison.

For more details, review this thread in the Weaponsmith forum, and take note of the mathematical analysis.

Also remember that this is a much touted response to ANYTHING a rifleman says: you have an AP3 weapon. IF AP is so crucial to a T21's performance then it had better work, because they nerfed it to h3ll and back fearing this. It has been our contention that the AP calcualtion is NOT working correctly and something has to give: return the T21 to the previous damage figures or get the AP effects back to the ranges of damage now seen by FL's and LLC's.

It would be nice if they would just tell us how they think it should work so at least we could argue our case. Having a guide that explains the way AP works but it being wrong strikes me asa bitsilly.

Stealth changing the AP code as a quick nerf to high AP weapons isjust plain lame.

I agree this should be high on the list of riflemen problems, we have the highest AP weapon in the game, a nerf to AP is a sure fire nerf to RM.

Can you try to get us some answers please klawlegna.

I'm not totally against having high AP reduce resists, but if in the next big patch they arelowering AP and resists on mobsas reported by some people then high AP becomes mostly pointless if it simply reduces resists.

Good point. We are all aware of the AP bug when vulnerable, which has to be fixed anyway (but I htink that was part of your issues).

However, we need clarification on how this system is SUPPOSED to work (and then we can see if it's still bugged). And I totally agree, if they changed it to how the WS correspondant describes it, this is a MAJOR nerf for us. Please look into this and let us know.

here here, lets make sure the t21 is made to work properly before I finally get one (I am on tarq btw) you all get to beta my t21 and make sure it is fixed before I get one

Check out Q's Tuesday tip. Not as bad as when they talked about using food in the middle of the food bug. But close in terms of not paying attention. Telling people to /examine a target to find it's vulnerabilities yet using such a weapon could negate the AP/AR bonus if there is one.

I have seen no official statement regarding this on the Correspondent fourms but, I'm digging around to see if anything was posted prior to my arrive.

What paycheck?

The paycheck that pays ya if PyscoJuggalo's Millitia of Northern Illinois Dollars. On our 100 dollar bill we got a picture of a hemp leaf.

Yeah, what paycheck?

They keep telling me mine's in the mail

Ok. I found some posts that where made, it seems StGabrielis leading an attack on this issue at the Correspondent forums. A lot of very detail posts and strong arguments being made. The delevopment team has clearly stated the curret system is in need of a change and are considering most of the information being listed. It's a very complexed and hotissue they are steadily working to address. Nothing listed is official as to what will be done but, withcorrespondents working at it fromthe entire combat profession stand point I'll be there to monitor andvoice my opinion when it comestoour profession. Right now I'm seeing everyone standing behindStGabrieland a few others as a front runneronbehalf of all combat professions.Most of the things he's listed are clearly what any of us other Correspondents would have said. I'll keep you posted if I see some official changes.

Message Edited by klawlegna on 12-02-2003 09:50 PM

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