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Thread: Poll Question?? Should someone be banned for knowingly using an Exploit to bennefit in the game??

Brahn-Cholo
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:30 pm
#1

Just wanna throw out a question........


"Should someone be banned or be concidered guilty, for KNOWINGLY using an exploit to gain credits and a specific adv in the SWG game, even if he/she did not commit the exploit itself.......but knowing it was done by exploit still taking adv of the situation and benefitting from it??"


Just outta curiosity i ask this question as a poll.. If you know who or what situation i'm reffering to, plz keep it to yourself..... This is a question based on a statement not necessarily thesituation..... even though a specific situation has come to pass to cause this question.

Base your answer on the statement........ NOT the situation (if you know about it).



My answer is this: If you use it......Knowing its done by exploit..... even if you did not do it, you are condoning the exploit and taking adv of it. You are definately not stopping the exploit but encouraging others to do the same and bennefit from it.


So YES!!
AcidRaineV
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:36 pm
#2

Yes, I agree with your statement. Using someone who exploits to "second-hand exploit"is the same as using the exploit yourself.





hRainh
hCommander of KoNHh

T-Bone78
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:37 pm
#3

There are exploits and there are exploits. Bike regening and duping credits are far from the same thing. It is a situation thing.

But I honestly don't know how if the person didn't do the exploit but benifited from it? You confused me. If someone duped credits and gave them to someone and the other person knew? Is that what you are getting at?

Message Edited by T-Bone78 on 02-19-2004 02:39 PM



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AcidRaineV
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:39 pm
#4

I think you misunderstood the question. He/She is asking if using a bannable exploit is any greater of an offense than benefiting from someone else's use of a bannable exploit. Not should someone be banned for bike regenin






hRainh
hCommander of KoNHh

Sotaudi
Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:59 pm
#5

I am not too sure how you could know about an exploit, not do it yourself, but still benefit from it. So I do not know exaclty how to respond to that. The only types of things I can think of that would qualify would be if you knew someone was double slicing weapons and you gave them a weapon to "slice" knowing and expecting thatthey would do the double slice or if someone gave you freecredits that you knew were duped, and you took them anyway. In either of those types of cases,I would agree that both parties should be penalized and banned if banning is appropriate, but onlyif you could prove that the person receiving the benefit knew beforehand what was happening or that, after they found out, they did nothing about it (such as give up an amount of cash equal to the received duped credits).


On the other hand, I would be concerned about how"exploit" is defined.Intentionally duplicating credits or that type of thing is an obvious exploit that is nothing more than cheating. On the other hand, I have heard the way bleeds worked before the last patch called an exploit because people could bleed a creature, kite it on a vehicle, then get off when it was down to one point of damage on the bleeding pool, and thenkill it with one shot. That is not an exploit. It may have been a way of killing creatures that was far easier than they intended, but Ihave problems with callinganobvious and simple use of the mechancis and rules of the game like thatan "exploit." I do not care that they fixed it if they felt it unbalanced the game (although, they have made bleeds pretty much a useless skill because of the amount they nerfed it), but I object to something so obvious being called an exploit...poor planning, maybe...but not an exploit.


So I would have a problem with someone being banned or penalized because something of this nature, but intentionally using a bug in the mechanics to duplicate credits or to increase the power of a weapon beyond its intended limits, yeah, that is an exploit. And if someone intentionally benefits from it even though they did not use the exploitthemselves, they should be penalized.





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Shrik
Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:30 pm
#6

If you know it is an exploit and you choose to beinift form it then you have used the exploit and are to be considered for a ban. If you didn't know then keep quite or submit a report to a csr so you go on record ans will have a chance. It sounds like you knew it was an exploit so yeah you are an exploiter.



Shrik'Anor
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Barb-Wire
Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:20 pm
#7

well what we are all talking about is the DXR6 rifle issue. you would have to have lived in a box all ur life or a card carrying member of the press not to realize that having a weapon that has not gone live is not an exploit...



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Barb Wire
Former Dark Force Wielder
Ex-Imperial Navy
Brahn-Cholo
Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:44 am
#8

Barb-................shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! LOL.... just answer the question!!
Barb-Wire
Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:04 am
#9

i DID lol

in fact i am taking an even harder stance against exploiting. when i see people selling pets 1(0) wont grow anymore in CL and sporting 10k+ hams Light armour and 60% kinetic they are getting reported for exploiting.

im sick of the friggen cheating.

so yes they should be dragged through the **edit** exam of a csr investigation. i know what that is from watching one of our other accounts being drug through such an investigation.



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Barb Wire
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Ex-Imperial Navy
beamstalk
Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:34 am
#10


Ok one would have to have been blind to not know you were talking about the DXR6 issue. In that case yes they are exploiting and yes should be banned. Plus they were stupid enough to post it on SOE's official boards where the Devs come. Sure they aren't in every forum, but that is still idiotic.


I totally agree with Barb, the WS would have to be completely oblivious of life not to know that was an exploit, so he was exploiting also.


So I would vote Ban.


Message Edited by beamstalk on 02-20-2004 10:35 AM



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Dynastar
Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:36 am
#11

Ban whatever clown got the schematic and the WS who used it.



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EvilMustache
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:05 am
#12

You do know that nobody at SOE cares what opinion gets expressed on these forums, right?


I'd Ban them if I were in charge.



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OditeFosore
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:19 am
#13

I'd probably take a more lenient stance. They should have the gun and schematictakenaway with a warning that any other misconduct and they will lose their account. I guess I'm just a softy. There was some debateon the Intrepid galaxy forums regarding the guy when people first saw the gun. Some folks said "exploit", others just said that drawing a creature from a closed dungeon is something he was able to do, and that he should get to have the schematic/gun. The WS that made the gun is crazy for risking their neck just to have created the first and for allowing it to be posted on the official forums.


Just a side note: I've heard that there are lots of folks who have drawn out these creatures and gotten the schematic already and are just waiting for the second the dungeon is "officially" opened to have the gun created.


Cheers,


- Odite Fosore



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