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Kragen2uk

Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:25 pm

I tried out 3 different rifles I bought recently from the same shop so they were of similar high quality, the laser rifle, the spraystick and the T21 and tested a few things.

First thing to note is that when you do (max dmg + min dmg)/attak speed (which should give you a rough geustimate of what each weapons average damage over time is), the T21 looses, followed by the laser and the spraystick leads far ahead doing masses more damage, however when I tested it on sharmungerthingy's on naboo, (I timed how long it took for each rifle to kill one), the T21 won hands down followed by the laser and then the spraystick. All 3 did the same dmg type... so what happened? I have2 theories...

1) it was something to do with the armor piercing... it would make sense, however does this mean that in PvP the spraystick will win again or not vs unarmored targets

2) it was something to do with the attack speed... perhaps there is a limit to how fast you can fire, or perhaps the speed of "2" doesnt just mean it fires twice as many shots in the same time it take a rifle of speed "4" to fire so many shots.

Please can someone enlighten me... If the answer is number 1 then im very happy as it means I can use the spraystick in PvP with great succes... but if its no. 2 im very unhappy cus this makes fast rifles a very dodgey area - how fast can we go before they just start becoming less efficient.

I'm gonna do some tests tomorrow on players... there were none around when I tested tonight, the time it takes to nock off 400 health on autofire or something.

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poon0r

Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:37 pm

#2

Speed cap is 1 second, as a noob rifleman you may outdamage using something like a spraystick on a 0 resist target, but as the other rifles are ap medium and heavy they get a 50% bonus for each ap class they are above

For instance a laser rifle med ap firing on comp armour which is light rated will get a 50% damage bonus.

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poon0r

Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:39 pm

#3

Sorry i lost my train of thought, as a noob rifleman your +speed will be low so youll have a differing delay on the rifles so a spray stick may come out tops, As you gain +speed youll be firing t21's and lasers on your cap so youll outdamage a spraystick massivly.

Hope that helps

Poon, NSA Squad Leader/Swordsman, Based in Vice City on Lok

Kragen2uk

Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:54 pm

#4

that does indeed help... whats the lowest useful sort of speed then?

and whats that about ap too... if something with ap+2 fires at something unarmored do you get more damage bonuses... I would have thought that an ap+2 fighting an ap+1 would merely reduce the effectiveness of the armor by 10% say, (so instead of resisting 10% of attacks, it only resists 9% of attacks... can you explain this a little more clearly?

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Onichi

Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:56 pm

#5

You might find the E11 Rifle a nice middle ground for you, its about half the speed of a T21 and has Medium Armor Piercing. Kind of like the Laser Rifle but there isn't such a disparity in the Min / Max damage. The max damage isn't as high as the Laser rifle but the min damage is much higher than a laser rifle.

The T21 is a great weapon but will be slow to fire at your level.. Try one out.. you may like it.

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Onichi

Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:58 pm

#6

Oh wait a minute, should have read your Sig .. You are a Master Rifleman so the speed issue shouldn't be too much of a problem.. I still use an E11 at Master as well at times because the HAM costs are lower than my T21..

Cheers!

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Kragen2uk

Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:49 pm

#7

Hmm, after consideration im gonna be getting two (sets?) of rifles... one for when im buffed and one for when im not. I can buff myself (using food only) so the HAM costs are no longer an issue... but its not cheap to do so, this is where the second set of rifles come's in, but for now I'm looking for the "buffed" set, so it looks like a good T21 is what I need... any idea's on where to get one on chimera... who makes the best T21

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Issik

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:54 am

#8

Just an errata on the ap:

For each level of ap above your target, you get +25%, not fifty. For each level below however, you get -50%, making bone armor more usefull than we thought.... 50% less damage for minimal HAMs?? Perfect for rifles!

I have a compo helmet, chest and pants, and Bone on me arms. VERY handy, as my substats for health and action can stay at 400, and still wear a full suit of armor.

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LLJK_Griz

Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:18 am

#9

Bone armor only protects against energy so it's useless against melee creatures, some NPCs, and most PVP opponents.

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tometaophion

Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:27 am

#10

I run around with a 4.0(2.9 with powerup)230 max dmg Jawa Ion (

). If I see someone stupid enough to not wear armor, I bust out the E11, because of its extremely SUPERIOR range characteristis +40 at 40M. I use spraystick when kiting tka only if he is unarmored, as any other melee class I have a good chance at (Master swordsman

) . If The TKA has armor I use the /aim + master headshot command, with the Jawa.

Message Edited by tometaophion on 02-21-2004 06:28 AM

Shandale_Arlan

Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:00 am

#11

Spraysticks suck horribly. At master when, with a speed tapeor two, you can fire a T21 every second(wich happens to be the cap) why bother using a spraystick? It has lower damage almost as high HAM costs and no armor piercing.

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kirstar

Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:09 am

#12

here you go..

try this

http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php

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tometaophion

Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:26 am

#13

lol because you can get spraysticks with -15 pb, I know rifleman think they hit everything, but not with mod stackers, a -90 pb for t21 is truly troublesome. Not everything in this game is about masters. Truthfully the devs are trying to steer away from that mentality.

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