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Thread: Anyone know for sure if we'll need Spd Att's to Cap at Master after CU?
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g2chris
Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:18 am
#1
Haven't leveled to master on tc and i've ben wonderin if i should sell my spd att's now or hold on to em? Thx for info
KundoJet
Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:28 am
#2
From what I understand, you won't be able to cap speed at all post-CU. Bonuses to speed are on a curve of diminshing returns, so each additional point of speed gives you a little less of a bump. You'll effectively stop receiving bonuses after a certain point (which I guess could be considered capping), but it's not like the current situation in live where there's a minimum speed, and anyone with FS speed or enough SEAs can reach it fairly easily. Also, you should find that a fast rifle is still a bit slower than a fast pistol.
But don't quote me on any of that. 
Grambacca
Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:03 pm
#3
Well I can tell you that on TC Gorath where my copied live character is a Master Rifleman the max speed was 65 total for my character.
Master Marksman no longer adds any speed for Rifle. Instead it adds for General ranged.
So the only speed you get from Marksman is the Rifles line which is a total of 20.
Then you get the speed in Rifle trees (sorry do not remember exactly how much and what trees) to gte up to the limit of 65.
Pretty disappointed when I saw that.
KundoJet
Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:11 pm
#4
You're misunderstanding how general ranged works. General ranged adds to your speed when using any ranged weapon, or rather your rifles (or other weapon-specific speed) is added to your general ranged speed to determine your actual speed with that kind of weapon equipped. Same goes for accuracy.
Grambacca wrote:
Well I can tell you that on TC Gorath where my copied live character is a Master Rifleman the max speed was 65 total for my character.
Master Marksman no longer adds any speed for Rifle. Instead it adds for General ranged.
So the only speed you get from Marksman is the Rifles line which is a total of 20.
Then you get the speed in Rifle trees (sorry do not remember exactly how much and what trees) to gte up to the limit of 65.
Pretty disappointed when I saw that.
Ackehece
Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:11 pm
#5
KundoJet wrote:
You're misunderstanding how general ranged works. General ranged adds to your speed when using any ranged weapon, or rather your rifles (or other weapon-specific speed) is added to your general ranged speed to determine your actual speed with that kind of weapon equipped. Same goes for accuracy.
Grambacca wrote:
Well I can tell you that on TC Gorath where my copied live character is a Master Rifleman the max speed was 65 total for my character.
Master Marksman no longer adds any speed for Rifle. Instead it adds for General ranged.
So the only speed you get from Marksman is the Rifles line which is a total of 20.
Then you get the speed in Rifle trees (sorry do not remember exactly how much and what trees) to gte up to the limit of 65.
Pretty disappointed when I saw that.
Kundo is correct
general + rifle = rifle speed
general + <fill in ranged weapon> = ranged weapon of blank speed
general = speed on something you have no speed mods for but can use due to the cross cert method
Grahd_Plats
Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:42 pm
#6
I play on Bria so I logged on to TC-Bria to see how my rifles converted. I don't have any legendary or exceptional rifles so i wasn't too worried.
The main thing I noticed was that while my rifles were slightly more powerful than the ones on regular TC...mine are .5 seconds slower
On TC-EP3 all the Frog rifles come 2.5 sec on TC Bria all my rifles converted to 3 sec (except for on Krayt Jawa that somehow is 2.97 sec.)
This .5 sec difference was enough to make Adv Startle and Improved HS fire noticeably slower than on TC-EP3.]
I respeced my old def stacked temp and grabbed Master Carbs and Pistol 4xxx (the pistol line that gives General Ranged Speed) With that template and a +5 Rifle Speed CA my total Speed with Rifles is 130. Which still fires specials at about 3.5-4 second intervals. (When I say 3.5 sec intervals I mean sometimes in the combat spam teh shot was 3 seconds apart and some times it was 4 seconds.)
Also, just for fun i grabbed an old friend's + Carb speed gear who quit the game. +25 carb speed with that same template = 130 carb speed.
Equiped his old dmg sliced Slugthrower Carbine and was astonished to see it say my modified DPS was slightly over 500 DMG/sec. WTC? None of my rifles modified DPS was anywhere near this...they were all around 440ish.
Carbines, with their fancy CC specials might just outgun Rifles come CU (Unless Snipershot becomes more usefull than just a load camping first attack
)
The main thing I noticed was that while my rifles were slightly more powerful than the ones on regular TC...mine are .5 seconds slower
On TC-EP3 all the Frog rifles come 2.5 sec on TC Bria all my rifles converted to 3 sec (except for on Krayt Jawa that somehow is 2.97 sec.)
This .5 sec difference was enough to make Adv Startle and Improved HS fire noticeably slower than on TC-EP3.]
I respeced my old def stacked temp and grabbed Master Carbs and Pistol 4xxx (the pistol line that gives General Ranged Speed) With that template and a +5 Rifle Speed CA my total Speed with Rifles is 130. Which still fires specials at about 3.5-4 second intervals. (When I say 3.5 sec intervals I mean sometimes in the combat spam teh shot was 3 seconds apart and some times it was 4 seconds.)
Also, just for fun i grabbed an old friend's + Carb speed gear who quit the game. +25 carb speed with that same template = 130 carb speed.
Equiped his old dmg sliced Slugthrower Carbine and was astonished to see it say my modified DPS was slightly over 500 DMG/sec. WTC? None of my rifles modified DPS was anywhere near this...they were all around 440ish.
Carbines, with their fancy CC specials might just outgun Rifles come CU (Unless Snipershot becomes more usefull than just a load camping first attack
)
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