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Thread: a master carbineers perspective on pistoleer, RIFLEMAN and carbineer.

Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:11 pm
#1








pistoleer should be--a self defencive class, great defence, good accuracy but poor speed, and week DPS. slow but very hard to hit. all moves hit health. and they are great at close ranges. anyone would need to be kneeling to have a 60% chance to hit a pistoleer. standing you have a30% chance to hit a pistoleer. 40% less SP needed to get then carbines. they also at master get to equip 2 pistols wich double the speed and the second pistol dose 50% its damage, so thats 50% more damage per second.


rifleman--supporters of main infantry, best at kneeling, terrible accuracy wile standing and 70% chance tto miss at point blank. horibly high damage. and great for long range sniping. if your a mellee, you will probably die long befor you reach 30 meters. slow. but pretty good defences. add a new gun, a heavy repeater machine blaster that can only be equiped and used WHILE kneeling. at master, and prone trhey have a 90% chance to hit you. to further the reason for them to stay "behind the main line" would be they have a 2.5-3x damage multiplier.


carbineer--alround main fighters. good on there own, but best with support of rifleman. good defences and very good DPS. main grunts of combat. good standing very good kneeling. medium accuracy. fastest fireing class. but rifleman have greater damage output and greater accuracy. while pistoleers have much much higher defences. alround best for combat. but lacking in areas that rifleman succeed in. 60% of the accuracy of rifleman 50%the defences of pistoleers. and 5x the pistoleers damage output, 75% the riflemans dam,age output.


THIS IS MY OPPINION on what things should be.

(disclaimer:this ALL would be if they increased range on turrets to 200m and weapon range to 130m and pistol range to 100m, and also my idea's would greatly increase the usefullness of kneeling and prone. )

Message Edited by Cardco2 on 02-15-2004 05:49 PM



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Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:27 pm
#2

/bump



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Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:14 pm
#3

/bump



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KardenTyrell
Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:20 pm
#4

they need to rethink prone's usefullness firstin pvp...because right now prone means death



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chuckynickels
Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:29 pm
#5

i think its silly, all classes should be same speed, same damage, different ranges, and different specials (mind damage, ranged knockdown, close up knockdown for example)



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Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:40 pm
#6

chuky, YOUR AN IDIOT! ok. have a nice day.



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Fitzdraco
Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:46 pm
#7






chuckynickels wrote:
i think its silly, all classes should be same speed, same damage, different ranges, and different specials (mind damage, ranged knockdown, close up knockdown for example)






Why should all weapons have the same speed and damage. That makes no sense. Let's look at it for a minute. A carbine as I understand it is basicly a machine gun. They are going to fire faster. A .50 cal rifle is going to do more damage then a 9 mm pistol.



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Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:50 pm
#8

thanks.



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PsychoticChipmunk
Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:02 am
#9

So basically make pistols crappier, make us go prone 3 seconds away from a melee class(and therefore dead), and beef up carbines?



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Raptor2k1
Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:27 am
#10

I think he was being sarcastic guys...

I hope...

Message Edited by Raptor2k1 on 02-14-2004 11:28 PM



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PyscoJuggalo
Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:58 am
#11

Prone give 2.5-3 times more damage?


Your Idea's would make us more of a defensive profession because we would have to setup and we would be basically imobile. When I say defensive I mean as in we are defenders of a position, I'm not to sure about this being that most PVP is very mobile. Now if PVP were more dynamic and feild position ment something I can go with this idea, but in a 64m world I don't think this can happen.


Not bad ideas, but for a stationary profession to work we need to


A) Slow movement down


OR


B) Increase Range And I'm saying like 138m.Not that only rifles get 138m mind you, all weapons can have it, it's just to increase the area of combat.




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CairnTrenor
Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:14 am
#12



Cardco2 wrote:
pistoleer should be--a self defencive class, great defence, good accuracy but poor speed, and week DPS. slow but very hard to hit. all moves hit health. and they are great at close ranges. anyone would need to be kneeling to have a 60% chance to hit a pistoleer. standing you have a 30% chance to hit a pistoleer. 40% less SP needed to get then carbines. they also at master get to equip 2 pistols wich double the speed and the second pistol dose 50% its damage, so thats 50% more damage per second.
rifleman--supporters of main infantry, best at kneeling, terrible accuracy wile standing and 70% chance tto miss at point blank. horibly high damage. and great for long range sniping. if your a mellee, you will probably die long befor you reach 30 meters. slow. but pretty good defences. add a new gun, a heavy repeater machine blaster that can only be equiped and used WHILE kneeling. at master, and prone trhey have a 90% chance to hit you. to further the reason for them to stay "behind the main line" would be they have a 2.5-3x damage multiplier.
carbineer--alround main fighters. good on there own, but best with support of rifleman. good defences and very good DPS. main grunts of combat. good standing very good kneeling. medium accuracy. fastest fireing class. but rifleman have greater damage output and greater accuracy. while pistoleers have much much higher defences. alround best for combat. but lacking in areas that rifleman succeed in. 60% of the accuracy of rifleman 50% the defences of pistoleers. and 5x the pistoleers damage output, 75% the riflemans dam,age output.
THIS IS MY OPPINION on what things should be.

Message Edited by Cardco2 on 02-14-2004 04:13 PM

Message Edited by Cardco2 on 02-14-2004 04:58 PM





Actually the riflemen would be better suited as the main fighters instead while carbineers would be more like special forces. Besides riflemen outnumber carbineers badly atm.

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kubakabra
Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:00 am
#13

This guy posted teh same message on the carbineer forum, and probably the pistol forum, too, though I haven't been there. He had to bump it himself 5 times, and even then none of the carbineers agreed with him.


Don't bump your own thread when no one replies, it's pathetic, really.



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