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Thread: is cover messed up with pub20?

Kierlak_BH
Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:39 am
#1

Hi all,


I very rarely use cover, mostly because I group with a mate a lot, and he can't get it thru his thick head that he needs to be more than 20m from me so I can get a few freebies on the target. Anyway, I thought the new cover changes with this publish would be good for fixing that, and that we'd be able to pull from packs a little more easily. However, I noticed something last night, that seems to imply that cover (or perhaps conceal shot) is now broken.


I was solo, and tried to take cover. Went under successfully. Target was at 65m, I used conceal shot. Target is struck, cover is instantly broken.


No problem I thought, RNG is no friend of mine, so I must have been detected.


Tried again, same result.


And again, same result.


And again, and again, and again... Anyone but me noticing a pattern here?


Out of 10 attempts, all at 60-65m for the inital shot, I was never able to fire more than 1 conceal shot before I was detected. Now granted, 10 tests is hardly a sample size to create an open and shut case, but even my luck isn't so bad that I should be 0/10 on geting more than 1 conceal shot off.


Has anyone else noticed this? I guess I *still* won't be using cover.

Sorpaijen
Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:53 pm
#2


Against level 35 - 37 Saronyi Witches, I was able to stay at 65m --- just barely inside range --- and get off THREE conceal shots from cover (more than enough to kill them since I am level 80). I find that if I am JUST barely inside my range, after the first conceal shot, they don't move at all... after the second, they move toward me but don't actually rush to attack me... so I can get a third shot in.


If I am at 64.999m though... after the FIRST conceal-shot, the target will move toward me 5 - 20m or so, looking around... then after the second one they charge close enough that I THINK they're going to attack me anyway, so I root (thx pistoleer 0004) and sniper-shoot them...


While there was no exp involved (I was just doing a kill-X quest) it was fun to actually FEEL likea sniper... being under cover, NEVER having my cover broken as I one-by-one picked off the foes.


When I was at 65m from the closest one (my target) I was usually 66m away from any other one --- hence they might get the " ! " symbol when their buddy takes fire, but they never turned to me.


Foes that are stacked on TOP of each other, now, that's problem: almost always after the second conceal shot they will rush me.

Va-Mei
Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:23 pm
#3

Check something... Do you have an auto attack selected? I get real PO'd when I spend a good long time sneaking up to a target, /conceal, and blow my own cover with a ranged shot.
Kinshi
Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:37 pm
#4

This was working fine for me last night in Myydril Caverns. Both myself and another riflemen were taking cover in the middle of our group and were not losing our cover.


IF anything I am finding cover to work quite well for pulling singles since after 2 /ConcealShots the mob comes out and away from the pack and I can back off and lead it towards me.


My CA for cover seem to be helping quite a but too (I have +10 Cover CA and a +5 Cover AA). I can actually get up to 5 shots off before I get charged, 4 shots is most common) at anyrate I can have a CL82 NPC down to 50-75% health before the aggro.


Works well


Kierlak_BH
Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:36 am
#5


Thanks for the replies guys. Its definitely not an auto-atack issue -- I never set one. Must have just been some really atrocious luck on my part. I've seen a lot of weird things happening since the CU went out -- getting smacked from 50m only to find post-mortem that the mob was really on top of you, LOS issues where you can't shoot a target you are practically standing on, attacks that cycle on the toolbar but don't fired (anyone else seen this one? pisses me off it does), that kinda crap. Maybe I just got into some weird bugged state.


I'll try it out again see. How I miss the old cover and conceal days.


Diversion
Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:25 am
#6


I am having the same problem. Cover breaks after the initial concealshot. On another note, is it on a timer. I have tested to fire only one shot(pre pub. 20) and the creature always finds me after a short while. If so It is stupid and artificial imho.


A better way would be that the first concealshot has a 10% chance of breaking cover the second 20% and so on.


It could be adjusted so several shots are regarded as belonging to the same series as long as the time between thelast shot and the next does not exceed a certain amount.


The chance of breaking cover would only be reset after 10 min .of non combat (with that particular target) to prevent people of spamming concealshot. I.e. it would be balanced against the creatures regen rate so that there is no point of waiting for the concealshot to reset.


If that were to happen we could get of four or more concealshots but we could also break cover with our first. Makes things feel less predetermined.



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Randd
Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:55 am
#7

Same thing was happening to me last night with faction npc's over level 80. Nothing like 20 of these buggers coming out you at once.




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Myn_Opias
Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:32 am
#8

Must be level dependant...



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Kaylais
Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:14 am
#9

It seems to break when a group member comes within 20m still. I thought they were going to fix this,

I was under cover and the first one to get to mission lair. When a group member drove up near me, the cover was broken,

Tested it a few times.....same result. Cant go under cover when aynone from my group is nearby.



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Slysix
Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:04 am
#10

Drove up to you?...bet you his vehicle was not in the group....heh...

Cover does not break with group members..as for their vehicles....well...

Aenedor
Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:44 am
#11



Va-Mei wrote:
Check something... Do you have an auto attack selected? I get real PO'd when I spend a good long time sneaking up to a target, /conceal, and blow my own cover with a ranged shot.





LOOOL I did this when I was supposed to be single pulling npc's from our cities imp bases. I forgot I had set headshot to auto attack.

I got one conceal shot off, then suddenly ten stormies came running after me.



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megacrafter
Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:09 am
#12

lol l2 hours i was grouped with a friend stood rgith in front of him 1m whent prone and coverd works perfectly for me execpt in the mydrill caves to hit anythign with my rifle for someeson i have to be with in 19ms of it so it brakes my cover after 1 shot



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Karbal
Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:16 am
#13

Cover worked fine for me over the weekend. Used it several times to pull one black sun npc from the spawn point. And yes, cover dosn't work right in the caverns.



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