Rifleman Archive

That's me today....

Last night I had a blast, great raid, ran theed for a bit went back to anchorhead to chill,

and then I spot a tef'ed imp outside town

I chase him

I shoot and miss

I'm dead in 5 seconds from 5 eyeshots after my hs3 misses.

I'm irritated as **** (and probably uneccasary but I was)

And then I see the current thread / becoming flame war here about bh skills, and my anger over that, the LLC, and the bh attiude ends in apost whichis just a total troll on the main board about it and how I'm sick of the elitest attitude BH's display about being able to own everyone (including a link to that thread) with a dash of flame on the side.

And get for my efforts the message from one poster "You know I was with you on the rifleman post, but now I've lost all respect for you and your plight."

*pulls foot from mouth big time*

Errr sorry everyone specially you aden since you've been the big poster there along with aldeon, lost my voice of reason and it kinda bit me right in the arse.

So *blush and cringe* sorry bout that guys.

Wow, all of a sudden I'm some sort of celebrity.

Well, hey, at least you have the common sense to realize that you shouldn't have posted it. My advise? Go post the same thing on THAT thread. Everyone loses their cool sometimes. Hell, I've sniped at the Bounty Hunters here and there. I've usually reserved it for when they said something like, "We are SO underpowered!" or for when I get hit for 3611 damage while waiting for the Shuttleport to load. . . heh. Most of the reasonable Bounty Hunters who post there know I am not calling for a complete nerf-ation of anyone.

So go apologize there. That's what I'd do.

celb nahh we're the few the underpowered the rifleman *joke* =P but you are a guy who usually doesn't lose his cool over things, something I respect a lothehe.

*goes off to repost this there*

Hah, I usually just channel that mounting frustration into an incredibly complex matehmatical explanation of why Riflemen are the b**ches of anyone that has a Melee attack. I find that if you have more than five or six lines of straight math in your post, no one wants to refute you, because that means doing even more math.

yeah math seems to do it, just, well...Honest opinion here cause the past few days of being on the fourms have left a seriously sour taste in my mouth, but do you honestly think with everything we post we are accomplishing anything?

Not to sound downerish but take two examples

#1 my rifleman in a nutshell thread in general.

Did it get some good compliments? yeah, did it feel good to vent? oh yeah, but do I honestly believe that anything in that is getting through to a dev or convinced many players when it comes to the issues riflemen have? not in the slightest.

#2 Our visting BH and the endless arguements over proper logging.

We can spout math back and forth, we can log everything from a rifleman doing headstands on a paralope till he's blue as his bar was, but do I think we're going to be convinced by Myree nope?, are we going to convince him or insert bounty hunter here nope, is this endless arguement actually getting us anywhere? nope.

And thats why I'm really just thinking oftaking a long long vacation from the forums, I was a lot happier before trying to get into things with people, and as it stands right now the work to reward ratio feels like a big fat honking zero. And when we try to deal with players or the devs it's feeling like we're preaching to the choir at best, and pissing into the wind at worst, it's not going anywhere cept downhill.

Between that and waiting for the mind heals that won't bother bh's but utterly rip riflemen yet again, ok yeah I'll admit it I'm a bit depressed over this whole giant mess. Which is ironic in a way since I just got flushing shot 2 and that's making my toon and mea very happy rifleman ingame.

Err anyway (/ramble) Any of this make sense? Just curious.

Sometimes, unfortunately, it's quantity, not quality, that counts. For the most part I saw very few Rifleman issues being brought up on Discussion, and I think that was a severe limiter for what we would see back from the Devs. Let's be honest, the Devs aren't REALLY reading all of these Profession forums. Most likely someone glances, but that's about it. The Discussion forum is read. All the other Professions agree on what to say in their own threads, and then take their opinions "public" there.

You think it has no effect? When I started posting, the word "Rifleman" wasn't even brought up except to say, "are cheap because they can hit the mind pool." Now people KNOW about the 250% Melee Damage and the horrible accuracy and the fact that we DRAIN the MIND POOL. Most people didn't know this because their only experience with a Rifleman was getting head-shot-ed in the middle of a PvP fight.

Positive or negative, we are our own PR machine. The trick is to keep it positive, but make it VERY CLEAR that it's an EFFORT to keep it positive. I think we're accomplishing that. And, when in doubt, I can make a really condescending (yet truthful) graph.

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Dragonkat, I replied to your PM in generally the same manner, but I'll recap here briefly so others can benefit.

Not all bounty hunters fall into the same mold.

Yes, incredibly, many bounty hunters have become one because we want to.... drum roll... hunt bounties! In order to do what we want to do (which is admitedly a very large part of the Star Wars movies and books, so it's popularity should be understandable)... we need to advance these skills. We advance these skills to master our chosen profession.

We did not pick what skills make up the bounty hunter profession. That being said, on the whole I'd say that all of our skills DO in fact benefit us in accomplishing our mission. I agree with the assessment that bounty hunters need to adapt to various situations... something which I think is demonstrated through our variety of weapon skills... and we have continued to adapt as we've gotten MOSTLY nothing but nerfings time and time again since launch. The LLC is an exception, but sorely needed. There was NO point to having it as it previously was considering it was much slower and hit much softer than any other weapon we had. Totally pointless. Now it hits hard, but has lousy accuracy. Personally I think that is a fair trade off... but if you REALLY want to know what I think, we don't need it at ALL. Two weapons are more than enough. Granted, recent nerfs have rendered our entire carbine line useless. (Note: anyone complaining about how popular BH Pistol is should examine the devs decisions to push everyone in that direction since they nerfed carbine so drastically).

Anyhow, "Pure" bounty hunters are not in the profession for any percieved or real uberness that it bestows. They're in it to master the profession. I wont even get into a discussion about how strong a BH -should- be based on points. It's irrelevent. What IS relevent is that many folks enjoy the proclaimed purpose of this profession. Hunting bounties. For many of us, it isn't about PvP. Heck, PvP is this game is a retarded joke anyhow. Seriously. I kill you, you re-spawn in the cloning center. Big deal. Wash, rinse, repeat. What's the point? I further think that a true bounty hunter cares much more about his or her business than about the galactic civil war... but that idea is pretty hotly debated.... just my opinion that it makes little sense for overtly factioned BH'ers. That makes one a mercenary, not a bounty hunter if you ask me... but whatever.

Back to the matter at hand. I fully agree that riflemen need a serious looking at, and increase in effectiveness. Riflemen should have the highest degree of accuracy (while stationary) of ANY weapon in this game. Further, a successful hit SHOULD be able to one-shot anyone who hasn't properly prepared for battle (helmet, food / etc, and NOT neglected their mind pool like 75% of combatants do). If anyone in this game should be one-shot-killing, it ought to be riflemen.

Now, I DO think that up close and personal should not be your forte. However the current 2.5x multiplier is totally over the top. I think something more like a 50% additional damage would be sufficient if anything. But even that would be contingent upon the rifleman's ability to USUALLY kill their prey before they ever get that close.

Anyhow, in summary:

1) Not all bounty hunters fall into the category of people you've grown to despise in PvP.
2) Eyeshot isn't the problem. The entire fubar'ed HAM system and the inability to heal mind pool is the problem.
3) I support your profession for POSITIVE changes to help riflemen. Crying for nerfs to other professions to make them as equally worthless (forgive me) as riflemen currently feel is the WRONG way to fix this game.