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Thread: need an advice before spending money on a rifle plzz help a noob

SaQa
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:37 pm
#1

i got a adk

i got 10milions

i need a uber rifle what shall i look for

what type

where is the damage cap on each rifle

well basicly i dont have a clue what stats a good rifle should have so plz some1 help me


im playing on chimera so a wp for an not great but really uber shop would be great to

always shopped on starlas vendor in heaven mall but now that she is closed and there has opened so many new shops im lost hehe tried vendor search but cant figure it out what is good and what is bad

some got better dps some speed and some dam and that sac is also annoying


so pls help

Message Edited by SaQa on 10-31-2005 10:46 PM



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SaQa
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:38 pm
#2


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Message Edited by SaQa on 10-31-2005 10:47 PM



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SaQa
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:53 pm
#3

this rifle is only gonna be used for pve does that matter in my picking of rifle



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Rinviero
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:05 pm
#4

First, it should be sac capped (82 sac)


Second, I look for DPS** (many people discount DPS but I think it's a good overall guide)




**Why DPS, well in the long run when you alternate shots to get around cool-downs, what you want is to do as much damage in a small about of time as it possible, thus DPS....



StarPilot3000
Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:36 pm
#5






Rinviero wrote:

First, it should be sac capped (82 sac)


Second, I look for DPS** (many people discount DPS but I think it's a good overall guide)




**Why DPS, well in the long run when you alternate shots to get around cool-downs, what you want is to do as much damage in a small about of time as it possible, thus DPS....








DPS is not a stat to base a gun on EVER oh wise Ackehece will back me up(BETTER )


ALR would be best


Always base gun on capped sac speed and damage those are the 3 important stats





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AdmiralSeer
Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:23 am
#6

First, you want to find a good rifle that will work for you. Get one that is crafted with the SAC capped and the Dammaged Capped. Then Slice for speed. I suggest an ALR or Trando. Go here to see stats and caps. And talk to different weaponsmiths to see what you can get. BTW if you go loot your own trando barrel you'll save millions



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Rinviero
Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:47 am
#7






StarPilot3000 wrote:





Rinviero wrote:

First, it should be sac capped (82 sac)


Second, I look for DPS** (many people discount DPS but I think it's a good overall guide)




**Why DPS, well in the long run when you alternate shots to get around cool-downs, what you want is to do as much damage in a small about of time as it possible, thus DPS....








DPS is not a stat to base a gun on EVER oh wise Ackehece will back me up(BETTER )


ALR would be best


Always base gun on capped sac speed and damage those are the 3 important stats








Take aside the fact we agree that SAC is primary.....


The thing I find funny about your comment is, you say that you should never base a gun on DPS, but you should instead look at the damage and speed.... umm, thats just another way to say DPS....



AdmiralSeer
Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:14 am
#8






Rinviero wrote:





Take aside the fact we agree that SAC is primary.....

The thing I find funny about your comment is, you say that you should never base a gun on DPS, but you should instead look at the damage and speed.... umm, thats just another way to say DPS....








Yes, but DPS as calculated by the game does not take in to effect many key variables and thus renders DPS as a comparitive stat........useless



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SaQa
Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:01 am
#9

thx to all for the fine answers now i got something to go for



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Drakenya
Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:02 am
#10

DPS can work as a rough indicator of a guy. Ex: you'd not buy a 200 DBS gun unless it had some special feature, while most "uber" guns are at least 300 DPS. But more important to look at individual stats.

As for the gun, get an ALR with some nice cells (+180/-.79/-8) and if you have the money (you probably won't) get a pre-nerf scope.




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Iridescence
Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:25 am
#11

You can have a weapon with really quick refire rate, obscenely high SAC, and low damage, and its DPS would be huge. Doesn't mean its a good weapon, and in that case DPS is NOT a good rough indicator of value.

I've seen so many weaponsmiths put full speed slices and speed powerups on their weapons on their vendor so they're advertising 450-500 base DPS weapons that are essentially worthless.

For me, SAC and Damage are of prime importance. Speed shouldn't be neglected, but there's a point at which speed is just a measure of how fast you want your action to drain.

Message Edited by Iridescence on 11-01-2005 11:27 AM

Drakenya
Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:10 am
#12

Ok, I'll qualify what I said a bit then: Most guns you will want to buy follow 275 < DPS < 375. Anything lower needs something special (biggest thing here is a kinetic rifle, or high min dmg), and anything higher will have a catch; either a PuP or a horrible SAC. I just use this when browsing vendors to quickly narrow my searches, so I only look at DPS first, and if that seems ok, then I move onto the other stats. Your way of doing it may be different.




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TalKurgan
Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:28 am
#13

I think a Trandoshan Hunting rifle would be a good choice. If I recall correctly, they have a higher minimum damage than the ALRs, which is important for fighting high-end MOBs.


The caps (I think, memory ain't the greatest):

speed 2.17

damage 5xx-1184

accuracy +59 (requires pre-nerf scope, good luck pardner)

SAC 82


First priority is the 82 SAC. If you're too tired to shoot, then all the damage in the world won't do a lick of good.


Next I figure how many damage slices it will take to get me to the cap. Max 1096 means a full 8% damage slice, max 1138 means a 4% damage slice, and max 1160 means a 2% damage slice will do it. Personally, if the max damage is over 1160, I don't do a damage slice at all, as I lose some of the effectiveness of the slice to the slicing cap.


After those two considerations, I look at the speed. That you want as low as possible.



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