Rifleman Archive
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PsychoticChipmunk
Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:20 pm
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Since we seem to be getting a larger influx of nerfherders recently for some reason I figure doing this can't hurt so here are some of the best non flamatory responses in the nerf threads that I know of all compiled here with credit given where credit is due. This may help lower the number of posts or allow you, my brethren, to pull up facts and good responses quite easily.After all,you can only explain simple game mechanics so many times before the tedium annoys you. Please read through this before posting your remark, both sharpshooters and others,and for the members of other professions crying out against us. Run your post through word and remove all the little green and red lines that are likely to spring up, it makes it easier for us to read and see your logic as well as add credibility to you beyond contempt at our "power."
Thank you.
Thank you.
Marco Renaldi
1. If you profession has broken skills (pistoleers) get them fixed instead of breaking ours.
1. If you profession has broken skills (pistoleers) get them fixed instead of breaking ours.
2. If you are a non master fighting a master and get owned then you need to suck it up and leave
3.IF you are complaining that we are impossible to hit.........We have stated several times this is a bug and it will be fixed
4. (cont from 3)using the defense stacker argument is pointless as that too is getting fixed
5. RIfleman are horrible until they cross that master gap, dont say thaty are not because unless you have crossed that gap then you have no idead the difference it can make.
6. The jawa ion is a awesome PVP weapon and is what really set us apart from the other classes. Dont nerf this as it is the balancer for those who can afford comp to those who cant. Yes more weapons need to use stun dmg to offset the power of this gun. This way people will have to choose if they will be safer with or without armor.
7. All armor should have weaknesses unfortunately the only major one is stun. There should be a decent stun protection armor, but the downside is that it should be vulnerable to almost everything. Otherwise PVP boils down to has the best armor. Stun weapons are meant to be the equalizers, but more classes need access to this damage.
8. Another point I would like to shut down is our accuracy up close. Up close we do hit a little too often, but pistols also hit way too often at ranges over 30meters. Until this is "Fixed" it would be unfair to lessen our accuracy.
9. Stop complaining about mind damage. Until master BH and CM's deal mind damage much much better than us. Also without food and buffs we do roughly 100 points more dmg to you than we do to ourselves. Before you say use food and buffs, we do but why dont you when fighting us?
10. Mind is also the hardest stat to buff. It takes approx 8-10 min for a full buff and that buff only doubles our current stats unlike getting between 1000-3500 for all the other stats in side of 2 mins.
11. Riflemen have a tremendous dmg potential at master, and up until a few months ago this was balanced by being one of the hardest proffessions in the game to master. However with the removal of the 2.5x melee dmg and the fixing of conceal shot made leveling easier. This was compounded with the Holo grinders and the defense stackers. Thus before the fix the power at master was very justified as only a very few number had the will to stick through the grind.
12. As for our speed...IF we fire a 3 sec spd cap and we miss our opening shot or do low dmg we are toast, as most other classes in teh game can shred anyone in that 3 sec timeframe
Sotaudi
Regarding Shot Speed:
Regarding Shot Speed:
Shot speed = weapon speed [* special delay] * (1 - (personal speed modifier * .01))
T21 at 7 second delay.
Personal Speed modifier at Master Rifle: 90
On autofire:
Shot speed = 7 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * .10 = .7 seconds per shot, so firing at the speed cap.
Headshot 2: Speed modifier 1.75
Shot Speed = 7 * 1.75 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * 1.75 * .10 = 1.225 seconds per shot (not the speed cap)
Strafeshot2 (our best damage multiplier): Speed modifier 3.5
Shot Speed = 7 * 3.5 * (1 - (90 * .01)) = 7 * 3.5 * .10 = 2.45 seconds per shot (nearly 2.5 x the speed cap)
Cairn SB
* as a side note I am a TKA master as well so I am posting this in the rifle and TKA forums
The reason why people cry nerf on TKA and rifle (and soon any class that targets the mind pool) is simple.
They don't understand the game!
People go out and buy composit armor (usual at 50% or lower resists to electric or kinetic)
They then get a doc to buff them, put there armor on and say "NOW I AM UBBER"
WRONG
The mind pool is the one pool that can not be healed fast (combat medic aside I am talking 1 on 1 PVP)
Sure you can take drugs and food, but you can't heal the mind pool constantly like you can health or action.
And the mind pool is typically the lowest pool in most charactors because the guns they use take action or health.
PVP (to my knowelge) has a 75% damage reduction.
So these people are used to getting shot for 150 damage.
The Rifleman will use a T21 or a Jawa ion rifle.
The TKA will use knockdown + dizzy + warcry to keep them on the ground (and vibroknuckles)...
The rifleman uses headshot3 (3x damage increase minus the 75% pvp = 2.3x damage)
The TKA uses knockdown combo (2x damage for being knocked down + 3x damage for UAH3 - 75% pvp = 4.3x damage)
So you can see - if I have not made it clear....
We are hitting the one pool (the mind pool) that con not bea healed.
And we are using armor peircing weapons (t21 and VK) to penitrate your armor.
And we are doing damage multipliers (specials).
So OF COURSE we are going to mess you up.
Point in case I was waiting on a shuttle and some random newb wants to duel.
he said something rude and challenges me.
I am not wearing armor
I am not buffed
I am holding a t21
I have "TKA Master" over my head
I look at him and examine his charactor....
He has mastered marksman and scout.
He has novice bounty hunter over his head.
He is buffed to the eyeballs on health and action (2500 ha)
He is wearing a full suit composit armor
He is holding a LLC
His mind pool is 200 out of 600 (and not regenerating fast)
He is standing 5m from me (omg can he be so dumb)
So I accept, the battle lasted all of 3 seconds and went something like this....
Me = KD + Warcry + Equip T21 + Headshot3
Him = begging me not to deathblow him.
(as a side not I could have easly used a vibroknuckles and used mind hit to waste him)
he then says he is taking a screen shot and sending it to CSR and reporting me of cheating.
So I take the time to explain the above to him and he said...
"ya right I am a bounty hunter I should have won"
I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair
DO NOT - i repeat - DO NOT
Duel someone that can target your mind pool UNLESS you bother to BUFF your mind pool.
DO NOT - i repeat - DO NOT
Duel an elite class (let alone two) when you are a beginner and expect to win.
This game is NOT based on your skill using a keyboard and mouse.
IN FACT
This game is 90% based on skill modifications and tactics
The other 10% seems to be simple luck
* as a side note I am a TKA master as well so I am posting this in the rifle and TKA forums
The reason why people cry nerf on TKA and rifle (and soon any class that targets the mind pool) is simple.
They don't understand the game!
People go out and buy composit armor (usual at 50% or lower resists to electric or kinetic)
They then get a doc to buff them, put there armor on and say "NOW I AM UBBER"
WRONG
The mind pool is the one pool that can not be healed fast (combat medic aside I am talking 1 on 1 PVP)
Sure you can take drugs and food, but you can't heal the mind pool constantly like you can health or action.
And the mind pool is typically the lowest pool in most charactors because the guns they use take action or health.
PVP (to my knowelge) has a 75% damage reduction.
So these people are used to getting shot for 150 damage.
The Rifleman will use a T21 or a Jawa ion rifle.
The TKA will use knockdown + dizzy + warcry to keep them on the ground (and vibroknuckles)...
The rifleman uses headshot3 (3x damage increase minus the 75% pvp = 2.3x damage)
The TKA uses knockdown combo (2x damage for being knocked down + 3x damage for UAH3 - 75% pvp = 4.3x damage)
So you can see - if I have not made it clear....
We are hitting the one pool (the mind pool) that con not bea healed.
And we are using armor peircing weapons (t21 and VK) to penitrate your armor.
And we are doing damage multipliers (specials).
So OF COURSE we are going to mess you up.
Point in case I was waiting on a shuttle and some random newb wants to duel.
he said something rude and challenges me.
I am not wearing armor
I am not buffed
I am holding a t21
I have "TKA Master" over my head
I look at him and examine his charactor....
He has mastered marksman and scout.
He has novice bounty hunter over his head.
He is buffed to the eyeballs on health and action (2500 ha)
He is wearing a full suit composit armor
He is holding a LLC
His mind pool is 200 out of 600 (and not regenerating fast)
He is standing 5m from me (omg can he be so dumb)
So I accept, the battle lasted all of 3 seconds and went something like this....
Me = KD + Warcry + Equip T21 + Headshot3
Him = begging me not to deathblow him.
(as a side not I could have easly used a vibroknuckles and used mind hit to waste him)
he then says he is taking a screen shot and sending it to CSR and reporting me of cheating.
So I take the time to explain the above to him and he said...
"ya right I am a bounty hunter I should have won"
I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair
DO NOT - i repeat - DO NOT
Duel someone that can target your mind pool UNLESS you bother to BUFF your mind pool.
DO NOT - i repeat - DO NOT
Duel an elite class (let alone two) when you are a beginner and expect to win.
This game is NOT based on your skill using a keyboard and mouse.
IN FACT
This game is 90% based on skill modifications and tactics
The other 10% seems to be simple luck
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