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Thread: is this a good t21

magcow
Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:55 pm
#1

i got this smuggler to slice my 415 max dmg t21 rifle and he sliced it in the speed but i dont know for how much...but when he traded it to me i was suprised to find my rifle was 579 max now and 5.2 speed when it origially was 415 max 7.5 speed
HarlequinMK19
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:08 pm
#2

That's really strange. I don't see how the weapon could have been sliced for both speed AND damage..unless this is something new or just really rare. Anyway, check to make sure that the rifle doesn't have a powerup on it, and that may be the case. Or..who knows..maybe the smuggler gave you back the wrong rifle. In any case, I would consider a 579 Max/5.2 firing speed to T21 to be a great one. Hang onto that for PvP or the stronger mobs in the game. Heck, if the stats really are that good, try selling it even, you could probably fetch a nice handful of credits.



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WayneInAustin
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:09 pm
#3

As both a Master Smuggler (7 months)AND a Master Rifleman (1 year)I can tell you it is IMPOSSIBLE to slice both speed and damage. I think someone is confused. If not you, then me!




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OditeFosore
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:14 pm
#4

Yes, that's very good...but, unfortunately too good. The only way to get that slice is a double-slice, which is a bannable offense. Being in posession of that gun can get you into trouble as it ispretty easy to spot for weaponsmiths or riflemen what normal stats are. A decent T21 like yours was when you started + a 35% damage slice would come out to 560 damage (no powerup), which is considered a pretty excellent non-krayt gun. The speed is usually 7.0 - 7.5 and would be unaffected by a damage slice. But, your gun got higher than the max possible damage slice (38.5%) and has a speed slice of 35% on top of that.


Maybe there's something I'm missing, or you have a powerup on the weapon or something else, but by my shakey math the numbers don't add up without some sort of foul play. For your sake I hope the smuggler didn't cheat you, that is an excellent gun, especially if you're not a speed capped riflemen.



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ecksrae
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:18 pm
#5

No, its possible because it happened to me way back. What happened was we had a server disconnect right after the smuggler traded it back to me. After we came back, I took it to another smuggler not noticing anything, when it came back I had a speed and damage slice.


There is an exploit now where smugglers can double slice, but you can get banned for it so dont try it. And you may lose that sometime due to this fact.



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WayneInAustin
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:21 pm
#6






OditeFosore wrote:

Yes, that's very good...but, unfortunately too good. The only way to get that slice is a double-slice, which is a bannable offense. Being in posession of that gun can get you into trouble as it ispretty easy to spot for weaponsmiths or riflemen what normal stats are. A decent T21 like yours was when you started + a 35% damage slice would come out to 560 damage (no powerup), which is considered a pretty excellent non-krayt gun. The speed is usually 7.0 - 7.5 and would be unaffected by a damage slice. But, your gun got higher than the max possible damage slice (38.5%) and has a speed slice of 35% on top of that.


Maybe there's something I'm missing, or you have a powerup on the weapon or something else, but by my shakey math the numbers don't add up without some sort of foul play. For your sake I hope the smuggler didn't cheat you, that is an excellent gun, especially if you're not a speed capped riflemen.



OditeFosore... I think you are wrong here. The double-slice exploit, as I understand it, involved Damage slices only and had nothing to do with slicing a weapon two times, despite the name. In other words, it causs an extra illegalBOOST to a damageslice, but does NOT give the smuggler the ability to slice a weapon a second time.
Now, there may have been a "slice it two different times" exploit long ago before I was smuggler (7 months ago) but I dont believe that exploit, if it ever existed, exists today. I follow the smuggler forums very closely and that has not come up.





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WayneInAustin
Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:27 pm
#7






ecksrae wrote:

No, its possible because it happened to me way back. What happened was we had a server disconnect right after the smuggler traded it back to me. After we came back, I took it to another smuggler not noticing anything, when it came back I had a speed and damage slice.


There is an exploit now where smugglers can double slice, but you can get banned for it so dont try it. And you may lose that sometime due to this fact.




As I mentioned in my last reply, this may have worked long ago.. but havent heard of it in the last 7 months of reading the smuggler forums. It MAY be possible in the situation you describe to applya slice just as a disconnect occurs and not have the "This weapon has been altered by a smuggler" flag attached to the weapon, but the timing involved would have to be incredible. Also you said it happened as he was trading it back to you.. the weapon should have already been flagged by that time. BUt you did say "way back", so who knows... I'm just doubtful it could happen today. Since he didnt mention anything like this happening, I doubt seriously that this would explain what he sees.






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Came to life in Restuss, on Rori, 07/03/2003
Master Rifleman 10/18/2003 - present
Master Smuggler 1/25/2004 - 11/05/2004
Dancer buffs + Muon + Musician Buffs + Vasarian Brandy = Sex, Drugs, Rock&Roll, and Alcohol(Man, I love this job!)


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