Rifleman Archive
Thread: Question about AoE/Lairs/Groups
I believe that damage is done to the lairs in this manner and it can cause more creatures to spawn. However, I have heard (not tried it myself) that Stun damage does nothing to lairs. So, in theory, you could go AoE all you want with the Jawa Ion Rifle and be just fine 
ItalianJediLord wrote:
Lets say you are in a group that walks upto a lair. Your group attacks the creature which happens to be standing next to the lair. You being a rifleman are 64m away firing flushing or flurry 2. Everyone is concentrated on the creatures and not the lair. When you fire an AoE attack it says in your combat tab that you've attacked every creature plus the lair. Does the damage done to the lair show up on the actual lair? And does it spawn more creatures since you've attacked the lair? Because its hard being a rifleman using an AoE and having members of a group that keep saying "Stop hitting the lair." I just want to know if our AoE attacks damage the lair to where it spawns more creatures while we are attacking the ones that were first out.
I'm pretty sure the aoe will not damage the lair unless you have the lair targetted. The AOE will only actually damage something that is in combat mode, and a lair can never be in combat mode, so you should be fine. It will say it in the combat spam, but no damage is taken from the actual lair. Feel free to test it on something easy like a durni lair.
WayneInAustin wrote:
While I am not sure about the AoE attacks hitting the lair, I do know that Kezia is correct about the Stun damage not hurting a lair. First time I used my Jawa Ion on a Mokk campsiteon Dantooine. I killed all the Mokks with my Jawa Ion, then attacked the camp(64K HAM) with auto-attack and walked away for a few minutes. When I came back, the camp was still at 64K and it took me a second to figure out what was happening. Sure enough, switched over to my Laser and wiped it out fast.
Hey Kez... wonder if theSG82 (cold damage) affects a lair? And I have a berzerker now (heat damage) so I wonder if it does anything? Guess I'll test these out here soon....
I'd guess that they would work Wayne, but it's probably a good idea to know beforehand so no one does what you did with that Jawa, hehe. Lemme know what you find out
This is no longer true, ranged AoE does not affect lairs. Combat spam is in error. I have targeted many a Rancor while it was next to a lair and did not cause the lair to spawn. Target the lair WILL do this, however, except for a Jawa. Melee AoE's will damage the lair and spawn more, however.
XaverriJade7 wrote:
I believe that damage is done to the lairs in this manner and it can cause more creatures to spawn. However, I have heard (not tried it myself) that Stun damage does nothing to lairs. So, in theory, you could go AoE all you want with the Jawa Ion Rifle and be just fine
Are you sure on this? Granted a lot of my melee leveling involved me just area attacking the lair directly, but sometimes I'd hit the lair and then just pick one piket and area attack him and hit all his friends, and I don't think it caused the lair to spawn any more. I'd do more testing but I don't kill very many lairs any more, at least I won't until I start running short on money.
Fred_Skinner wrote:
This is no longer true, ranged AoE does not affect lairs. Combat spam is in error. I have targeted many a Rancor while it was next to a lair and did not cause the lair to spawn. Target the lair WILL do this, however, except for a Jawa. Melee AoE's will damage the lair and spawn more, however.
It's been my experience that the advanced strafe aoe, works a bit differently than everyone elses AOE. It seemed when I was a pistoleer I'd hit the lairs, as a TKA with the aoe hit the lairs. But not as a rifleman. Furthermore I've had problems with switching targets while using advanced strafe. SS2 a target, click on another target, clear your combat queue and resume SS2, you will fire at the first target, where as normally that would cause a target change. But not with SS2.
Maybe it got changed mid professions on me, but I know pistoleer fanshot didn't work this way. Nor did any of the other aoe's I'm familiar with. But SS2 is in fact different than them.
Fred_Skinner wrote:
Mmm.... maybe not. I have a Doc/Swordsman friend that tells me he switches targets and does not use AoE's near lairs (backs away from the lair about 20m and then uses them). I figured there was a reason for this, perhaps not. I do know only directly attacking a lair does lasting damage for range AoE.
Well, I stand in Lairs and spam unarmed spin 2. Never had new creatures spawn from this. I have had the lair targeted and use unarmed spin and that would cause spawn. That is just my experiences though. That is also with Pickets and Quenkers only.
I have a theory on this, after testing it last night. Unarmed spin attack 2 does not hit the lair unless you have the lair targeted, that is what I tested.
Now for my Theory:
What we know about AoE's: They will only hit what you target or what is "in combat" with you.
My theory: Since Lairs are not living things, they can never be "in combat" with you. Since you only hit things not directly targeted that are in combat with you, you will not hit the lair. That is you will not hit the lair unless you have the lair targeted.
Now what I didn't test, but wish I had now, is that I would switch from the lair to the target creature, but would hit peace before I attacked the creature. What needs to be tested is that if you do not hit peace before attacking creature would you still hit the lair? I think you might in that case because you are still "in combat" with the lair.
Will need to test this further tonight.
I have used Strafe Shot 2 with an animal targeted next to a lair. As I spam the SS2, the animal of course takes HAM damage. I believe so does the lair.As I am using the SS2 on the animal, the lair will just blow up and I have never targeted it. It is my experience that using the SS2 in this manner also causes lair spawns.
This is my experience in the SS2 shot, don't know about the other AOE.