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well ive been reading the pistolier forum for the first time because i saw a little tension building. They have more posts about us and what we are saying than they have about there tech issues. Is there some sort of hostility?

basically it boils down to pistols being as accurate as rifles at near max range.

The pistoleer guy doesn't want to change it the rifle guys want to.

Pistoleer solution is to up rifle range at close range.

Rifleman solution is to decrease pistol range at long range.

Pistoleers just cant admit that they are a overpowered, overused profession (probably about 75% of the player are a pistoleer or going for pistoleer) because there specials use the least amount of ham, there weapons fire the faster for decent dmg (there dps is better than any carbine/rifle) and they dont take extra damage from melee attacks

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There is tension because pistoleers dont want to step down off there throne of uberness and try to balance out the combat professions

Many people speak about accuracy. Strangely enough, they're not focused as much on comparing amount of damage dealt per second, damage typeAND accuracy. Not only one of the subcategories.

And with the upcomming speed change, pistols need to have their DPS halved to make up for the speed increase... and ours increased three times.

Is that the problem? Sometimes, yes. I think once you dig beneath the surface I see the problem in more simplistic terms.

1. I've played Pistoleer and Rifleman. I know a little about both, and I'll tell you that Pistoleer is easier, faster and safer to level. Rifle can sometimes be better at PvE, but pistol is almost always better at PvP. So I guess that issue depends on your personal preferences.

2. The proposed speed cap on the Rifleman is a devestating blow. If you refer back to the language of the original dev post they said that AFTER the speed cap was in place they would "Investigate increasing rifle damage". So...they are gonna reduce our rate of fire without increasing damage. While doubling the pistols current max rate of fire and not reducing damage? Okay...if you don't see the problem there then I really have nothing else to say. That's not hystrionics or paranoia. Those are just the fact. Decrease our DPS (which is always typically lower than pistols at any level below Master now) and increase the Pistol DPS.

So, yeah. We're upset. Most of us who have focussed on Rifleman have been struggling against the currents of the SWG river for a long time. I've been playing since June 26th, so I'm intimately familiar with the struggle. Heck...I'd settle for them just leaving us the way we are. I only rage against the idea of making us worse.

I don't mean this to sound like a flame. Though I disagree somewhat with your post, Halden, I recognize that it was mature and reasonable. If this comes across as less than reasonable I apologize for that. Not, however, for my opinions on Rifleman. That's sacred.

Yep the pistoleer are bringing this on themselves they whined and are getting us nerfed with the speed hardcap for Rifleman. Guess what it is going to come right back at you, since rifleman are going to make an issue of range and dps. I would be happy if they left us alone in our misery, but if they nerf us because of whiny pistoleers. It will be my mission to get Pistoleers nerfed.

As someone who had to level through Pistol IV to get to Smuggler and as someone who is currently re-leveling through Rifleman IV due to my character needing a re-roll (thanks, perpetual stat loss bug), I have to say that Pistol XP is absurdly easy to get compared to Rifle XP, at least in the Marksman tree.

With a Pistol, you can essentially just target any MOB on the screen that /cons white or lower, hit auto-attack and start running, to say nothing of when you get BodyShot. There you go. Pistol XP. I would run around the outside of town just whacking little MOBs for 50-120 XP each. In fact, for a while, I used my gamepad to MACRO IT.

TAB; /bodyshot1; /bodyshot1; /bodyshot1; /bodyshot1; /bodyshot1; /bodyshot1; /bodyshot1;

Of course I was using the gamepad to hit TAB. But the fact is that I went to eat dinner and came back to find I was ready for a new skill. It wasn't fast, but it worked. Try that with Rifleman. Seriously. I have to check my range on each MOB, lay down, go prone, use /aim, then stand up when in range and swap over to point blank. . . 400 damage from a gorg rules!

So do I think that Pistol needs to scale down? Yes, yes I do. Sorry Pistoleers, but it's not a nerf. It's called making you remotely balanced. If you want the rapid-fire attack rate, you have to eat crow on the damage-per-hit front. And if you want the close-up range (where most MOB fighting takes place anyhow) you have to eat crow on the distance shots. Making everyone accurate at EVERY range is not a solution. It's a homogenisation. It makes the game less interesting, not more so.

I did some PvP with Pistol, as well, and it was, eh, mixed. I found it almost impossible until I STOPPED acting like a Rifleman. Running around my targets and firing wildly was actually a great technique (and yes, this was after the run-and-gun penalty). Yes, I hit less. But no one else was hitting me at all. And by running around I could close the range quite a bit.

I am not saying that all of these things need to be removed from Pistoleer. But the fact is that these are simple techniques that Pistoleers can use to augment their profession. Riflemen have no augmentation. We have /aim, and to be honest, I am getting **edit** sick of missing four shots in a row with a +50 chance to hit. That's absurd. That'd be absurd for ANY class. But for the one class that is supposed to emphasize powerful, precise shots over blaster-bolt-spam or walls-o-flame, it's doubly so.

Guess it is pistol VS rifle when a SOE coorespondant jacks a vote for another coorespondant's community.

I AM OUTRAGED.

You forget that non only do the Pistoleers want to nerf our speed in the combat proposal, but a while ago I found a thread where Pistoleers want to nerf our CURRENT speed cap.

Since we're already at oblivion and can't be nerfed beyond it, I'll probably just quit the game if we're nerfed beyond oblivion... starting a new toon over from scratch doesn't sound really appealing.

-- A6

yup this is the way i see it, if pistols are going to be shooting 6 times for every 1 time we shoot, we need to do 6x the damage of the pistol, also accuracy plays a big part in this too, is pistols fires 6 times for every 1 of our shots they can missed once or twice, and not have to worry about loosing much dmg,

But rifles firing every 3 seconds, if we missed we're basicly screwed and we get hit 6 more times before we get the chance to miss again

Actually, do you want to know what the real issue is?

I'll tell ya...

There's too many "experts" who've never played another profession, yet who know "everything" about every other profession's strengths and weaknesses.

There's too many people who can't get past their own desire to be "uber" and look at something objectively.

There's too many people who think that the best way to balance their profession is to nerf others.

There's too many posts full of hyperbole and histrionics.

There's too many people who compare the worst part of their profession to the best part of another and scream for nerfs.

The bad thing is, that it isn't going to get any better anytime soon.