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Thread: how come t-21 > laser rifle?

tommotX
Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:46 pm
#1

i have a t-21 with 8.0 speed 480 max damage
and a laser rifle with 4.0 speed and 480 max damage (both are energy damage)

but i have noticed most people use T21s over Laser Rifles...why is that?



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Kavi
Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:49 pm
#2

Its all about the min dmg. Nuff said



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DarthMarksman
Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:54 pm
#3






tommotX wrote:
i have a t-21 with 8.0 speed 480 max damage
and a laser rifle with 4.0 speed and 480 max damage (both are energy damage)

but i have noticed most people use T21s over Laser Rifles...why is that?





The armor piercing is level 3 on a T-21, it's level 2 on a Laser Rifle. Hence, the T-21 is the more powerful weapon, overall.



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DarthVillanus
Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:57 pm
#4

The T-21 has higher min damage, higher max damage, and higher AP.



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CloseHauled76
Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:55 am
#5

And at master riflema, weapon speed is next to irrelevant.
Minotauro
Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:33 am
#6

couple things...


a) your t21 sucks if its 480 @8.0


b)most people use t21 cause of the min dmg, and ap3


c) laser rifles tend to have higher max to the guy who said t21's do


d) rifle speed does matter. you need +97 speed to cap (at master you are +90) a rifle with anything 9.0 and less. Doing 2k dmg every 2.5 second < doing 1k dmg every second....if you arent capped i strongly recommend using speed sliced rifles AT LEAST for pvp.



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Redrazors
Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:20 am
#7



tommotX wrote:
i have a t-21 with 8.0 speed 480 max damage
and a laser rifle with 4.0 speed and 480 max damage (both are energy damage)

but i have noticed most people use T21s over Laser Rifles...why is that?




If you need an in depth explanation of how armour piercing works go here: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=armorsmith&message.id=42983
WayneInAustin
Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:11 am
#8






tommotX wrote:
i have a t-21 with 8.0 speed 480 max damage
and a laser rifle with 4.0 speed and 480 max damage (both are energy damage)
but i have noticed most people use T21s over Laser Rifles...why is that?




Don't know about Scylla, but you should be able to find a T21 a little better than that. On Eclipse, you can find them sliced up over 500 with a little bit of searching, and the speed on those is usually around 7.5.
And, as the other posters pointed out, the Armor Piercing 3 (AP3) is approx. 25% better than the AP2 of the Laser.






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Veustuh
Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:52 am
#9






WayneInAustin wrote:





tommotX wrote:
i have a t-21 with 8.0 speed 480 max damage
and a laser rifle with 4.0 speed and 480 max damage (both are energy damage)
but i have noticed most people use T21s over Laser Rifles...why is that?




Don't know about Scylla, but you should be able to find a T21 a little better than that. On Eclipse, you can find them sliced up over 500 with a little bit of searching, and the speed on those is usually around 7.5.
And, as the other posters pointed out, the Armor Piercing 3 (AP3) is approx. 25% better than the AP2 of the Laser.







Resources have been on the suck on Scylla. It took well over 9 months for acceptable spawns of Ditanium steelor was that Poloniumironbefore any good quality T-21s could be made. Add to that you're lucky if you can find a smuggler who'll get lucky and slice the weapon for 30+ percent in damage. Sad part is it took almost one year for the Pholokite extrusive ore to spawn so that Master Architects could make master level furniture and doctors have been waiting 9+ months for an acceptable spawn of CL4 (most recent spawns are 300 +/- 100 on overall quality). Recently all new resources for Shipwright are spawning anywhere from 1 - 10 days with most ending in 3 days after spawn.


One main reason aside from AP3 that rifleman go with a T-21 is the fact that the min/max numbers are much tighter than those of Laser Rifles. There are some DXR-6s too that can have a very tight min/max numbers to which will guarantee steady damage numbers. In theory a LR would be great and a better choice if there was a way to get the min/max to run something like 350/700 or even 400/650 though you'd still lose the AP3 power you'd pickup a tighter damage range than what you currently see at 170/700 meaning you could shoot for anywhere between those two numbers.


TommotX look around and you'll find some that are sliced over 500 outside Coronet unless they're sold out. Don't recall the place though I've seen more T-21s going for 15k - 20k that are unsliced and sit around 190 - 400 range and if you're lucky can be sliced over 500 for max damage. If you can't find one around there just vendor hop until you find some. I've been lucky in the past and found many of good deals on high damage weapons in spots that I'd never expected to find them or when I'm shopping for other items aside from better rifles. I shouldn't mention this since you are the enemy , but look for T-21s made by hanoverfist and preferably made several months back. If not sliced already, these would slice for well over 500+ damage and with a speed of 7.4.

Message Edited by Veustuh on 11-03-2004 11:02 AM



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Fredir_Iaceri
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:08 pm
#10

The T21's minimum damage is much greater, the speed doesn't matter if you're capped and the T21 has Heavy armor piercing which makes a great difference.




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EoZilbriss
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:57 pm
#11

When comparing the T-21 Rifle to, well, pretty much any other rifle a few factors must be considered:



  • The T-21 is an Armor Piercing 3 weapon. Therefore it does Base x 1.25 x 1.25 damage to an enemy with light armor. Also, it does not suffer when fighting against anything with Heavy Armor, as that enemy's armor would negate the T-21's bonus.

  • The Minimum Damage: It's generally very damned high. My T-21's have minimum damage's in the 200's, as opposed to many Laser Rifles with minimum's in the 70's or less. Higher Minimum Damage = Higher Guaranteed hits.

  • Speed matters not to a Master. Well, to a True Master. If you manage to nab your +10 Rifle Speed, or +5 IF you get Master Marksman, then you can fire any rifle at speed cap.

  • It's a cannon. For aesthetic quality, a T-21 looks like a big filthy powerful CANNON. I like that.




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SexyJabbaTheHutt
Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:25 pm
#12

dude, stop going to see sauren for weapons..

Porinjikerri
Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:20 pm
#13

I have a 100-630 6.3spddmg Laser Rifle, and a 190-410dmg 5.2spd t21. Due to the higher minimum damage, and the difference in armor piercing, I almost always use my t21. (as I'm not speed capped yet). The only time I do use my las rifle is when i'm fighting against an opponent with NO armor rating, as then armor piercing doesn't make a difference.


I still like my 5.8 speed 310-780 damage(with pup) DXR6-b rifle best tho, with uber low ham costs... I only use it for PvP, becuase of the damage, and the fact acid goes right thru psg's


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