Rifleman Archive
Thread: Didn't play since last Autumn, what did change ?
- Insane Mind usage resulting in avoidance of armor.
- Melee Damage mod, that hurted
- Kiting Baz Nitches on Dathomir / Snorbals on Lok (I remember end of this tho)
- Being raped by Commandos and Bounty Hunters because their weapons were considered melee unless you used a PSG
- Owning unarmored with the DLT20a
- Owning 90% Composite monkeys with the Jawa Ion Cannon because Stun layers sucked
- Firing almost all weapons at max speed because of the speed mods
- Putting huge bleeds with the Laser Rifle when you had luck
What big changes happened since then ?
ParadigmaMike wrote:
Memories:
1- Insane Mind usage resulting in avoidance of armor.
2- Melee Damage mod, that hurted
3- Kiting Baz Nitches on Dathomir / Snorbals on Lok (I remember end of this tho)
-4 Being raped by Commandos and Bounty Hunters because their weapons were considered melee unless you used a PSG
5- Owning unarmored with the DLT20a
6- Owning 90% Composite monkeys with the Jawa Ion Cannon because Stun layers sucked
7- Firing almost all weapons at max speed because of the speed mods
8- Putting huge bleeds with the Laser Rifle when you had luck
What big changes happened since then ?
Xytroncore wrote:
You have to be **edit**ting me, considering Riflemen is the second best proffession in the game at going through armor this statement is a complete **edit**ing joke...
PyscoJuggalo wrote:
7- Still happens, but don't matter since our damage is negated by Armor and huge Buffs.
XaverriJade7 wrote:
Xytroncore wrote:
You have to be **edit**ting me, considering Riflemen is the second best proffession in the game at going through armor this statement is a complete **edit**ing joke...
PyscoJuggalo wrote:
7- Still happens, but don't matter since our damage is negated by Armor and huge Buffs.
500 max damage Jawa Ion Rifle(better than most people ever have)vs 80% Composite armor(90% is common enough, but we'll use 80% here): 500 damage x 5(StrafeShot2) x .25(PvP reduction) x .20(armor resists)=125 WOOT!. That 125 comes from using an amazing rifle with its max damage. Obviously, you won't hit for the max every time, so that 125 is even too high. Not to mention your average Jawa Ion Rifle ismuch weaker(300+ max damage?). That 125 against 2000+ HAM is not impressive. If you target Mind, it maybe a smaller pool(not by much), but you don't get a 5x modifier against it either. And with all the new foods/drinks, it can can darn high.
fletcherreed wrote:
XaverriJade7 wrote:
Xytroncore wrote:
You have to be **edit**ting me, considering Riflemen is the second best proffession in the game at going through armor this statement is a complete **edit**ing joke...
PyscoJuggalo wrote:
7- Still happens, but don't matter since our damage is negated by Armor and huge Buffs.
500 max damage Jawa Ion Rifle(better than most people ever have)vs 80% Composite armor(90% is common enough, but we'll use 80% here): 500 damage x 5(StrafeShot2) x .25(PvP reduction) x .20(armor resists)=125 WOOT!. That 125 comes from using an amazing rifle with its max damage. Obviously, you won't hit for the max every time, so that 125 is even too high. Not to mention your average Jawa Ion Rifle ismuch weaker(300+ max damage?). That 125 against 2000+ HAM is not impressive. If you target Mind, it maybe a smaller pool(not by much), but you don't get a 5x modifier against it either. And with all the new foods/drinks, it can can darn high.
The armor resists on stun only go up to 40% that i know of
Yup, not to mention a krayt geo pistol is worse then that krayt jawa, meaning a pistoleer is even worse against anyone in armor... I don't even know how you could possibly not admit that a riflemen is the second best proffession against people in armor...
Also, even a master pistoleer with master marksman would need a speed sliced geo pistol to fire any shot as fast as a riflemen with master marksman and a damage sliced krayt jawa.... I won't even bother mentioning carbineer since they're slow as **edit** even with master marksman...
XaverriJade7 wrote:
Xytroncore wrote:
You have to be **edit**ting me, considering Riflemen is the second best proffession in the game at going through armor this statement is a complete **edit**ing joke...
PyscoJuggalo wrote:
7- Still happens, but don't matter since our damage is negated by Armor and huge Buffs.
500 max damage Jawa Ion Rifle(better than most people ever have)vs 80% Composite armor(90% is common enough, but we'll use 80% here): 500 damage x 5(StrafeShot2) x .25(PvP reduction) x .20(armor resists)=125 WOOT!. That 125 comes from using an amazing rifle with its max damage. Obviously, you won't hit for the max every time, so that 125 is even too high. Not to mention your average Jawa Ion Rifle ismuch weaker(300+ max damage?). That 125 against 2000+ HAM is not impressive. If you target Mind, it maybe a smaller pool(not by much), but you don't get a 5x modifier against it either. And with all the new foods/drinks, it can can darn high.
where have you been? Who uses a strafe 2 in pvp with a jawa? that'll get you killed, ever stopped to think about people with novice medic? makes strafe 2 obsolete.
Plus, that 80% composite doesn't include 80% stun which a Jawa Ion Rifle *IS*.
This is my pvp, for example:
226 max (Krayt Jawa) x 3(head shot 3) x .25(PvP reduction) x .65 (average 35% stun composite)
568 max (Krayt Jawa) x 3(head shot 3) x .25(PvP reduction) x .65 (average 35% stun composite)
110-276 max damage in pvp against armored opponents
but then again, probably 5% of riflemen who pvp use a jawa with damage that high
Message Edited by raz1337 on 06-29-2004 12:05 AM
Message Edited by raz1337 on 06-29-2004 12:06 AM
)Using the numbers from earlier, you still only get 375- and that's a very optimistic number. Normally, you'll be looking at damage in the 100-150 range. That is using the random-pool SS2. Many will hit Health, but some will also hit Action, and a few will go to Mind. Since Mind is the PvP target of choice, you'll be seeing even lower DPS as the Riflemen will be using HS3. Not that DPS is important- each profession should have a distinctly different DPS range with other factors being what balances them out.
Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 06-29-2004 06:31 AM
raz1337 wrote:
where have you been? Who uses a strafe 2 in pvp with a jawa? That's my point- using the highest DPS attack isn't even smart, so the highest we are capable of wouldn't happen. that'll get you killed, ever stopped to think about people with novice medic? Yeah, never thought of that.
That was part of my previous point- Ithought it wasobvious enough it didn'tneed to be said.
Plus, that 80% composite doesn't include 80% stun which a Jawa Ion Rifle *IS*. See below post- I wasn't thinking at the time
This is my pvp, for example:
226 max (Krayt Jawa) x 3(head shot 3) x .25(PvP reduction) x .65 (average 35% stun composite)
568 max (Krayt Jawa) x 3(head shot 3) x .25(PvP reduction) x .65 (average 35% stun composite)
110-276 max damage in pvp against armored opponents
but then again, probably 5% of riflemen who pvp use a jawa with damage that high
Don't forget those 40% Stun PSGs. Makes your numbers 66-166. Not much.
Message Edited by raz1337 on 06-29-2004 12:05 AM
Message Edited by raz1337 on 06-29-2004 12:06 AM
