Rifleman Archive
Thread: BLock mod/template question
Mav3rix wrote:
hi all, apologies before hand for creating a new topic fro this as im sure thee information is there somewhere but all threads I found were old.
Basicaly the template im working towards is TKM/RIflemen / pikemen 0040 and some medic( the one with block?)
Primarily for PVP but also for some higher end PVE like corvete/Geos as my alt (MBH) is no where good enough.
Many people have told me BLOCK is bugged or isnt effective, whats your oppinions on this? is it worth me taking the pikemen block tree to supplement riflemen ( rifles will be my primary pvp, and TK for PVE tank)
also does Block also apply when I am using TK ?
would it be better for me to take a something like fencer status defence tree instead?
thanks in advance.
First, you will not need 0040 pikeman. Block caps at +125, so, I forget exactly how much block a pure rifleman gets, but I'm guessing you'd only need about 0020 pikeman.
Second, block will only work while holding a rifle or a polearm. So block will not stack with TKA's defense acuity, nor will it work when you are fighting unarmed.
Third, although block is working as intended according to the Devs, it is much less effective than dodge/counterattack. You will still take 50% of the damage on a successful block.
Now, you can make your own decisions on which template to use. Will Rifle/TKM/ a little of pikeman be horrible? Nope, there are plenty of rifle/tkm's out there who do pretty well.
Would you be better off in pvp with some fencer defense instead of pikeman block? I would think yes. First you'd probably want to get 1 or 2 boxes of fencers ranged/melee defense to get your melee/ranged defense capped at 125, then you could try and get some status defenses as well.
Of course, another benefit to pikeman is if you loot some decent pikes. Nothing like setting a guy on fire, poisoning him, and diseasing him in 2 swings 
Hope that helps
thanks mate, very good post.
I shall look a little deeper into the fencer trees before deciding. and also those fireDOT pikes u mention 
It may just be me and maybe im bugged,but since June i have only blocked maybe a few hundred attacks. Yes that is correct btw. I am just wondering why if in fact block works that it never happens. I have yet to block an attack in the past lets say 4 months. And the one i actually did block did enough damage to kill me, ie. it allowed a stormtrooper to deal 734 points of real damage to a pool of mine on a normal attack from him, I was armored and using a pixie. So i would like an explaination of that.
Naritus
I think you just haven't been looking. You should be blocking more, and now they actually fixed the combat spam to say you blocked it. Or I suppose you could be bugged. Also, usually when I see the most blocks is when I am Centered with my pike, so I suppose it ispossible that just with rifle you won't see it too often. Now, about the stormtrooper one, sounds like he hit you hard in the old armor hole, or perhaps he was using a stun weapon on you?
OryakaDrake wrote:
It may just be me and maybe im bugged,but since June i have only blocked maybe a few hundred attacks. Yes that is correct btw. I am just wondering why if in fact block works that it never happens. I have yet to block an attack in the past lets say 4 months. And the one i actually did block did enough damage to kill me, ie. it allowed a stormtrooper to deal 734 points of real damage to a pool of mine on a normal attack from him, I was armored and using a pixie. So i would like an explaination of that.
Oryaka Drake
Naritus
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Repaq wrote:
Damn your pike DOTs Skel Etor!!!!.....hehe
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I've had my block maxed for a while now and noticed something wierd. We have been helping my doc friend reach master in the last week so my worthless 40 health disease pikes have come in handy. Anyway, it was durring one of these grinding sessions that I noticed something odd with my block.
My friend had 2 boxes in polearm on the brawler tree, and was trying to disease me. I went prone and held a rifle so he could hit me easier and I noticed I blocked 8 out of the 10 swings he took. I don't normally look at combat spam and thought wow, they fixed my block. Then we got bored and decided to duel (we still had buffs left so the wounds didn't mean much). While he was hitting me with his fencer weapon I blocked 1 out his first 10 shots, realized I was getting pummeled so I used COB and started blocking around 50% or so.
Is block affected by the accuracy mod of the opponent? If it is, it would maybe expain why with a rifle I hardly ever block, except in this one case where I was fighting a brawler. How does the bonus to hit factor in here? Do we block more when we are getting shot at?
I keep hearing people say that block is broken, but I see it work often enough. Without COB, it almost seems worthless, but so is dodge and counter attack. I was amazed at how many counter attacks my friend got when he was using COB, and when he wasn't using COB I only saw him counter attack once or twice, so its not just us.
And for the original poster, you may want to test some of this out before you decide on the block template. If you are serious about going master pikeman, its a fun class, but like Skeletor said, you will need DOT pikes in order to be effective in pvp. Its the only class I know of out there that is toatally dependant on loot drops to be effective in pvp. Have you ever seen a pikeman try to use a crafted lance in a duel? If not, its hilarious. The moves look awsome, but no dmg is done to the opponent.
Geddeo wrote:
Hey Skeletor,I've had my block maxed for a while now and noticed something wierd. We have been helping my doc friend reach master in the last week so my worthless 40 health disease pikes have come in handy. Anyway, it was durring one of these grinding sessions that I noticed something odd with my block.
My friend had 2 boxes in polearm on the brawler tree, and was trying to disease me. I went prone and held a rifle so he could hit me easier and I noticed I blocked 8 out of the 10 swings he took. I don't normally look at combat spam and thought wow, they fixed my block. Then we got bored and decided to duel (we still had buffs left so the wounds didn't mean much). While he was hitting me with his fencer weapon I blocked 1 out his first 10 shots, realized I was getting pummeled so I used COB and started blocking around 50% or so.
Is block affected by the accuracy mod of the opponent? If it is, it would maybe expain why with a rifle I hardly ever block, except in this one case where I was fighting a brawler. How does the bonus to hit factor in here? Do we block more when we are getting shot at?
I keep hearing people say that block is broken, but I see it work often enough. Without COB, it almost seems worthless, but so is dodge and counter attack. I was amazed at how many counter attacks my friend got when he was using COB, and when he wasn't using COB I only saw him counter attack once or twice, so its not just us.
And for the original poster, you may want to test some of this out before you decide on the block template. If you are serious about going master pikeman, its a fun class, but like Skeletor said, you will need DOT pikes in order to be effective in pvp. Its the only class I know of out there that is toatally dependant on loot drops to be effective in pvp. Have you ever seen a pikeman try to use a crafted lance in a duel? If not, its hilarious. The moves look awsome, but no dmg is done to the opponent.
I've never tested the math of this out, but from my understanding of block/dodge/counterattack they have a separate chance independent of any hit or accuracy mods. Basically, before block kicks in all of those calculations should be out the window because you are "hit" at this point. Thats why your combat spam says "so and so hits you for xx damage but you block it!". It could be that what you say was a fluke, although it could also be that my understanding is completely wrong. Or maybe it had something to do with being prone? Who knows.
and yes, COB dramatically increases the number of blocks you'll do.