Rifleman Archive

Thread: PvP Hidden Snipers

MonkeyDude
Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:05 pm
#1

Just to get this right... there is NO skill/skill combinationin ANY professionthat will allow a rifleman inPvP Combatto fire and remain unseen and un-targetable (un-targetable - by either the enemyclickingon the riflemanor using the cycle target key (tab)), so that the rifleman can kills Players from a distance without being threatened, correct?


Antone
Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:30 pm
#2

umm ya....aside from a whole rifleman tree dedicated to it, I can do over 2k mind damage with a laser rifle that's only an AR 2 weapon. Once I get a t21 I'll easily be able to 1shot pretty much any player. Kill a player in 1 shot and they don't get to fight back.
RVE
Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:54 am
#3

I think what he means is how can we snipe if we are so easily viewable on the radar? If you were running out in the wild and see a red dot on your radar, don't you look just to see what it is before getting any closer?


If everyone can see us so easily from beyond weapons raneg, how can we snipe? I think that's what he's getting at...





----------
Oco'
----------

Pire
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:17 am
#4

hey


as far as 1 shotting ANY player, at least rifleman need to use their serious specials, and need to be prone preferribly with take cover so they get all the max bonusses etc. and rifles are real slow.


pistoleers on the otehr hand can do a stopping shot from upright without having to aim and while moving. stoping shot is a 1 shot 1 kill kinda deal on most targets PvP or not with the exception of the huge HP mobs.


CT can just target you and send a single pet, while keeping his otehr one and then forget about you. then you'll die and wont even be able to hit.


same for BH, BH have a spoecial that knocks you down, knocks you out and makes you dizzy all in one just in case you do get up you'll immediately fall back down by yourself.


i dont know about carbineers.


TKA can knock you out easily in a single hit, i have already been knocked out by TKAs in duels, they do average 1k-1700 to me per hit, hit incredibly fast, and even if we start a duel at longets range, when i use medium pr good dmg rifle, rifles are so slow that the TKA can run up to me twice over and pop me 2-3 times before my first shot even goes off from teh moment i hit the attack button.


i would imagine pikemen and swordsmen to be similar to teh tKAs although i havent had a chance to duel ne yet, i have seen soem nasty, and i mean nasty 2h weapons in teh shops for example a sword that was 80-277 at 2.7 attack speed. and tahst just a intermediate weapon. i think in the adv categories 2h melee weapons will be so sick they wont even need to do any specials at all to drop targets in single shots.



so given all that you shouldnt be sarcastic or complain about riflemen, riflemen actually are begining to really suck. i'm c currently 2nd tier novice rifleman and the higher i go, the more i am convinced i should go pistol instead.


AldeonAvardulin
Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:58 am
#5

I think the point of giving everyone is radar, is so you dont get the hundreds of hackers to have radar, andm ake it so the guys without are getting killed easily do to that. As I understand it would be very helpful, I also think it would make us overpowering. Since there is no AR3 armor yet, we can one shot everyone with a Laser Rifle and T21. But, I do feel that increasing the max distance for a rifle would help, and should be done. I would even ask them to vary it. 100 on the T21, 90 on the Laser, and maybe 80 for all the other Rifles. Making you want to get the T21 not only for its dmg, but for is range.


If were 100 meters out, sure you can tab us, but we can atleast get 2 shots off now if we miss, or if its neccessary. Rifle should have more then a better Ideal range, I have seen all pistols, shoot just as accurately as me from 60 meters out. Of course people will argue this is wrong, but I intend to put up some tests to prove my point, that pistol is just as accurate as the Rifle.




----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Like you Only better
Aldeon/Chadn radiant
Kindar
Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:18 am
#6

This may have been a bug or lag or something. I was hunting rebels, I walked up on one prone shooting at an Imperial base mission.

For some reason he did not show on my radar and I could not select, he was overt not covert. He just appeared as a ghost greyed out. Then he stood up and I could target him, so who knows has anyone else seen this before.
JonSee
Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:30 am
#7

I am working my way up the Rifleman skill tree and from my understanding the Take Cover skill is what hides you from other players radar . You must be prone to Take Cover and you can not move while taking cover .



Sneak skill allows you tomovewhile in a Covered state .



Terrain negotiation ( from 50 - 100 ) allows you to crawl faster ( while sneaking in a covered state I hope ) . The Rifle Crawl Speed stat in the Rifleman skillset helps with this also , I assume .



Sneak Attack skill allows you to fire from cover ( not detectable on radar ) and prevents you from being targetable ( Tab cycle ) although this is a random pool shot I believe and not mind specific .



Pick up Bounty Hunter's Eye Shot to fire a Mind Pool attack with a pistol . This will take care of the close range penalties if they get to you .



My untested assumptions of the Rifleman skills at this time .....

RVE
Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:41 am
#8

I don't think the Take Cover ability hides u on radar. It gives u a defensive bonus while u lay prone. It makes ua little more difficult to hit.





----------
Oco'
----------

Page 1 of 1
Previous Next