Rifleman Archive
Thread: Too Many Riflemen?
I was thinking about being in the rifleman profession but after seeing how many people are doing it looks like it isn't worth it. So basically I spent all that time training to find out that its crowded, but even if it is, is it worth it? Seriously, I was thinking about being a commando but after all the bugs it has I'm not too sure. Can anyone suggest any other professions?
OK, help me out here Blac, how is the fact that a large number of any profession is played by the players a reason NOT to play that profession? I don't see it. And talk to any Chef or Fencer you might see around, I don't think they're going to tell you how happy they are because there aren't alot of them.
BTW, in my experience, there are WAY more pistoleers (gunslingers) and carbineers than there are riflemen.
THere are alot of riflemen, self included...
people choose the easy way...its easy to one shot kill all the low mind bar people running around overtly....if u dont kill them with one shot get a bleed on them, whip out the samauri, and finish em off in one wack....you can be assured of vicrory unless they run and get away from u, as they cant heal...
Im not sure why the rifle community is agains healing mind damage, its not delay, as rifle delay is a non issue later on...
everyone and their grandmother is either a Pistoleer, Rifleman, or TKA.
i'd suggest carbineer.. that seems a little less utilized.
I disagree with you. I am on the Gorath Server, and I have yet to run across or see another Rifleman. Everyone seems to want to be a Bounty Hunter. Other than that... there are TONS of Pistoleers and Carbineers. People always ask me why I decided to do Rifleman.
Salomon Orange
Rifleman
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how many duelsor pvp ingeneral have you done ?
i've done quite a bit, and let me tell you, we suck bad. real bad.
1st off, in order to do enough dmg reliably you need one of the slow rifles. so at best you'll be using 5.0 weapon if you have acess and can afford some slicing and really sweet powerup. if not you're stuck with a 7-9 secs per shot weapon.
2nd, you cannot conceal in PvP. take cover ability doesnt work against players.
given those 2, from the time you hit the attackbutton, to the time your weapon actually fires, any melee can run right up to your face and pop you. i dont know how about you, but i get hit for around 1400 by TKAs and Pikemen and 2h swordsmen. 1h swordsman do around 900s to me.
3rd, samelevelcarbine fires twice as fast as your rifle and will keep you down either prone or kneeling and snared, should you actually menage to get up as once bysome miracle i did (ithink the guymissed twice in a row).
4th. pistols fire at approximately 4-5 times as fast as rifles. i have seen people achieving attack speeds of around 1.4-1.6 often on scoutblasters. they will hit you 4-5 times before your hadshot goes off. or i should say could hit you 4-5 times, since it only takes 2-3 to kill you.
5th pets, hehe, good freaginluck, only hope you have here is if you have a probot or are a CH/CT so you have pets of your own to counter your opponents. otherwise put your weapon away and just lay there and get it over with. you'll waste less time.
if your opponent is a BH,pistoleer, TKA, pikeman, CH, droid engi, carbineerand knows you are going to attack just forget it. turn around and simply run.
Actually I use a laser rifle and was able to take out many people in one headshot.
Pire wrote:
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how many duelsor pvp ingeneral have you done ?
i've done quite a bit, and let me tell you, we suck bad. real bad.
1st off, in order to do enough dmg reliably you need one of the slow rifles. so at best you'll be using 5.0 weapon if you have acess and can afford some slicing and really sweet powerup. if not you're stuck with a 7-9 secs per shot weapon.
2nd, you cannot conceal in PvP. take cover ability doesnt work against players.
given those 2, from the time you hit the attackbutton, to the time your weapon actually fires, any melee can run right up to your face and pop you. i dont know how about you, but i get hit for around 1400 by TKAs and Pikemen and 2h swordsmen. 1h swordsman do around 900s to me.
3rd, samelevelcarbine fires twice as fast as your rifle and will keep you down either prone or kneeling and snared, should you actually menage to get up as once bysome miracle i did (ithink the guymissed twice in a row).
4th. pistols fire at approximately 4-5 times as fast as rifles. i have seen people achieving attack speeds of around 1.4-1.6 often on scoutblasters. they will hit you 4-5 times before your hadshot goes off. or i should say could hit you 4-5 times, since it only takes 2-3 to kill you.
5th pets, hehe, good freaginluck, only hope you have here is if you have a probot or are a CH/CT so you have pets of your own to counter your opponents. otherwise put your weapon away and just lay there and get it over with. you'll waste less time.
if your opponent is a BH,pistoleer, TKA, pikeman, CH, droid engi, carbineerand knows you are going to attack just forget it. turn around and simply run.
In response to the guys post about Riflemen sucking in PVP...I couldn't agree with you more.
You might as well just put a sign up saying "Sitting duck over here".
I'm fine with the fact that we're slower than others and have no knockdowns. But there is two critcial things that need to be fixed to make a Riflemen an equal match in PVP.
1) Make taker cover/camo actually do something in PVP.
2) Increase the freaking range on the rifles. Whats the point of pulling out my uber slow but high dmg rifle if I'm within pistol distance and 3-4 secondsaway from death. Thats a pretty stupid sniper.
They didn't give us a knockdown for a reason....that would be gay if we could just keep knocking done a brawler as they ran toward us...but on the other hand, we have to be within handshake distance to open fire. Give me a break.
I have my fingers crossed these are bugs and will be fixed...but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I must be playing on the wrong server.
I play on Bloodfin, which is supposed to be the fullest and busiest server there is.
And i think i have only everseena few"true" rifleman.
There is a massive difference between someone training to attain Master Marksmen and a Rifleman. You may see alot of people with rifles, trying to level up to Master Marksmen to open up other skills, but i dont think you will see many true rifleman. You will notice true rifleman soon when the T21 starts to be built more often.
The T21 is an exclusive item for Rifleman Only, whereas you can be a Master Marksmen and use every other rifle, except the T21.
I might be wrong but when i asked if anyone had novice rifleman to teach i didnt get a single reply and at the time i was on Tantooine, Mos Eisley which is very heavily populated.
And for that statement that said we play a rifleman for the easy kill, well have you actually played a rifleman? I am fast discovering that the tactics involved in it and the what you need to know about your character to be successful is fast becoming one of the most demanding professions out there. My opinion though.
/agree
One thing though... I dont play this game for the PvP scenario. Personally I have more fun playing the game in a "travel-with-companions" type of theme where we try to hunt down serious animals. There's no better fun than going to Lok and killing a Krayt. Talk about intense.
For those of you complaining about the PvP... just learn another skill to compliment Rifleman and slice and dice your opponents. Even if you dont, you should be dealing enough damage in your first shot to balance the scales with Pistoleer or Carbineer. If you look at the combat window, a pistoleer may be firing at 2.0 sec while I am firing at 6.6, but i am doing 700-800 damage to his 150-200. Just because someone is firing faster doesnt mean that we are worthless in PvP.
Get a good gun. Fire Mind Shot, Head Shot... then run. Running may not be glorious, but it gives you time to reload and set up your next volley of shots, and all the while, your opponent is bleeding from his ears.
Salomon Orange
Rifleman
A snipers biggest ally is the element of suprise. Be crafty, and uhh dizzy, stun and daze don't work on PC's?
T21 will change things, the amount of one shot damage that thing is gonna be capable of which good materals and slicing will be insane.
I personally think the laser rifle and spraystick are both horrid weapons. Both of these have a minimum of roughly 10 damage. The spraystick doesn't have a very high max, but it's incredible speed makes up for that. The laser rifle has a super high max, but still.
I feel the weapon with the highest minimum damage is the greater weapon. Buyinga laser rifle is putting a lot of faith and money into a weapon that MIGHT hit hard; It might also hit for 50. Maximum damage is MAYBE damage, minimum damage is guaranteed damage (ya, resistances can lower this, but resistances apply to maximum eqaully so the arguement is moot.)