Rifleman Archive

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Uthyr wrote:

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Odinwaa wrote:


Well that answers my question, but heres one. Why in the heck is it left up to the players to test out game mechanics? Why don't the devs just state these things? Last time I checked you guys weren't employed by SOE.

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I think the devs would probably answer that question by saying that if they posted the details of the game mechanics, then it would be too easy for some players to take advantage of the knowledge to gain an unfair advantage (this was discussed in a recent post here that I recall). I don't personally buy that argument, and in any case agree with youthat these kind of things need to be more clear, at leastin instances where the description of a mod/skill/etc. is misleading or incorrect. If it's a bug that the devs are unaware of (which is certainly a possibility in this case, if nobody else has ever noticed this issue with the defense mods), then that's another matter and I can forgive that. What I would like to see is an asterisk next to every broken or bugged description in the game, with a note saying something to the effect of" **Known bug; fix in progress: See bug note # xxx on game forum."

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I would like to know since I spent millions on my current armor beefing it up with melee defense mods thinking it helped against melee attacks.

/points finger at self

/idiot

I also just tested with both Elshandruu and Vegeparsine. I did everything like I was supposed to: Unequipped/reequipped my weapon after eating the food, had the same opponent hit me with the same attack 10 times from the exact same range, etc.

After all was said and done, I can confirm the findings of the Chefs. Melee defense is - at the moment - worthless to anyone holding a ranged weapon. Ranged defense is everything to us, and that is actually a good thing for us considering that we have a higher ranged defense than anyone else. If you count rifle defense and pistol defense we only have 5 less total defenses than pistoleers. That is pretty impressive.

So now we have the best range, the most powerful weapons, and great defenses. WOOHOO!

LOL...we are so screwed. I hope to god they beef up the defenses of Pistoleers and Carbineers to be better than ours, because I dont want a nerf. I recognize that this is not how it is supposed to be, and that carbineers are supposed to have slightly better defenses than us. I realize that, but I would rather see them get a boost than for us to be nerfed to bring us back in line with the original documentation from the CU.

Oh well....we shall see.

Seems until this is fixed I can stop spending money and stomach room on vegesparine. More room for synthsteak hits, woo!

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MTVGeneration wrote:

You are wrong. Everyone gets some Melee and Ranged defence as part of their template. The food works differently but the way the Dev's have named it, it is easily confused with the Defences you get as part of your template. Which defence food you take is determined by the weapon you hold. As I understand it, you don't actually get +xxx ranged defence, just +xxx defence as a ranged person.

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RueKursk wrote:
Seems until this is fixed I can stop spending money and stomach room on vegesparine. More room for synthsteak hits, woo!

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Uthyr wrote:

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MTVGeneration wrote:

You are wrong. Everyone gets some Melee and Ranged defence as part of their template. The food works differently but the way the Dev's have named it, it is easily confused with the Defences you get as part of your template. Which defence food you take is determined by the weapon you hold. As I understand it, you don't actually get +xxx ranged defence, just +xxx defence as a ranged person.

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Your last sentence above is a good way of putting it. It's pretty clear now that this is the way chef buffs work... the real question now is whether it is working the way the devs intented it to, or if it is a bug.

From what people are saying in today's posts, it sounds like Melee Defense SEA's and FS skills (but not foods/drinks) are still useful for a ranged profession. Has anybody actually tested this recently? I'd test it myself, but I don't have any clothing or SEA's that contain only melee defense mods, that I can equip or unequip (they all contain ranged defense mods as well), and of course I can't unequip mymelee defense FS skills.

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Remeber normal Melee/Ranged Defence SEA's are the same as the Melee/Ranged Defence in BE Clothes. It would be cheaper to pick up two +13 pieces of clothing (Shirt/Bandolier as both can be worn at the same time as armour) than to actually buy the tapes. Also remember that if you have 2 items of clothing with say +16 in each giving 32 on the character sheet is a bug. The cap is +25 as it is for everythign else and therefore anythign that shows up above that cap on the character sheet is incorrect....

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MTVGeneration wrote:

There is nothing wrong with Vegeparisine hence no fix. Vegeparisine=Melee Person. Thundercloud=Ranged Person.

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MTVGeneration wrote:
Remeber normal Melee/Ranged Defence SEA's are the same as the Melee/Ranged Defence in BE Clothes. It would be cheaper to pick up two +13 pieces of clothing (Shirt/Bandolier as both can be worn at the same time as armour) than to actually buy the tapes. Also remember that if you have 2 items of clothing with say +16 in each giving 32 on the character sheet is a bug. The cap is +25 as it is for everythign else and therefore anythign that shows up above that cap on the character sheet is incorrect....

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Uthyr wrote:

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MTVGeneration wrote:

There is nothing wrong with Vegeparisine hence no fix. Vegeparisine=Melee Person. Thundercloud=Ranged Person.

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If that is the case (that there is nothing wrong with Vegeparsine) then there most certainly is something wrong with the description for Vegeparsine... or has it actually been posted somewhere officially that Vegeparsine is not intended for ranged professions? I'm curious how people who already knew that vegeparsine was not for ranged professions knew this--was it just word of mouth?

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I'm curious about the original poster's synopsis as well. What makes you think vegesparine is working as intended if it does not increase one's melee defense?

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MTVGeneration wrote:

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Uthyr wrote:

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MTVGeneration wrote:

You are wrong. Everyone gets some Melee and Ranged defence as part of their template. The food works differently but the way the Dev's have named it, it is easily confused with the Defences you get as part of your template. Which defence food you take is determined by the weapon you hold. As I understand it, you don't actually get +xxx ranged defence, just +xxx defence as a ranged person.

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Your last sentence above is a good way of putting it. It's pretty clear now that this is the way chef buffs work... the real question now is whether it is working the way the devs intented it to, or if it is a bug.

From what people are saying in today's posts, it sounds like Melee Defense SEA's and FS skills (but not foods/drinks) are still useful for a ranged profession. Has anybody actually tested this recently? I'd test it myself, but I don't have any clothing or SEA's that contain only melee defense mods, that I can equip or unequip (they all contain ranged defense mods as well), and of course I can't unequip mymelee defense FS skills.

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Remeber normal Melee/Ranged Defence SEA's are the same as the Melee/Ranged Defence in BE Clothes. It would be cheaper to pick up two +13 pieces of clothing (Shirt/Bandolier as both can be worn at the same time as armour) than to actually buy the tapes. Also remember that if you have 2 items of clothing with say +16 in each giving 32 on the character sheet is a bug. The cap is +25 as it is for everythign else and therefore anythign that shows up above that cap on the character sheet is incorrect....

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Holy chrisstmans! That is soo weak. Why the heck isn't that in some FAQ or they should tell us. If it caps at +25, why the heck does it say +234 ranged defense if I only really get +25! I am way lost on this one now. I beefed up my armor and I thought I was doing a good thing. I want my money back.

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Odinwaa wrote:

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MTVGeneration wrote:

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Uthyr wrote:

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MTVGeneration wrote:

You are wrong. Everyone gets some Melee and Ranged defence as part of their template. The food works differently but the way the Dev's have named it, it is easily confused with the Defences you get as part of your template. Which defence food you take is determined by the weapon you hold. As I understand it, you don't actually get +xxx ranged defence, just +xxx defence as a ranged person.

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Your last sentence above is a good way of putting it. It's pretty clear now that this is the way chef buffs work... the real question now is whether it is working the way the devs intented it to, or if it is a bug.

From what people are saying in today's posts, it sounds like Melee Defense SEA's and FS skills (but not foods/drinks) are still useful for a ranged profession. Has anybody actually tested this recently? I'd test it myself, but I don't have any clothing or SEA's that contain only melee defense mods, that I can equip or unequip (they all contain ranged defense mods as well), and of course I can't unequip mymelee defense FS skills.

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Remeber normal Melee/Ranged Defence SEA's are the same as the Melee/Ranged Defence in BE Clothes. It would be cheaper to pick up two +13 pieces of clothing (Shirt/Bandolier as both can be worn at the same time as armour) than to actually buy the tapes. Also remember that if you have 2 items of clothing with say +16 in each giving 32 on the character sheet is a bug. The cap is +25 as it is for everythign else and therefore anythign that shows up above that cap on the character sheet is incorrect....

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Holy chrisstmans! That is soo weak. Why the heck isn't that in some FAQ or they should tell us. If it caps at +25, why the heck does it say +234 ranged defense if I only really get +25! I am way lost on this one now. I beefed up my armor and I thought I was doing a good thing. I want my money back.

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MTVGeneration wrote:

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Uthyr wrote:

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MTVGeneration wrote:
Remeber normal Melee/Ranged Defence SEA's are the same as the Melee/Ranged Defence in BE Clothes. It would be cheaper to pick up two +13 pieces of clothing (Shirt/Bandolier as both can be worn at the same time as armour) than to actually buy the tapes. Also remember that if you have 2 items of clothing with say +16 in each giving 32 on the character sheet is a bug. The cap is +25 as it is for everythign else and therefore anythign that shows up above that cap on the character sheet is incorrect....

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QFE. Good points, MTV. One question though... do FS Melee Defense skills get counted as part of the +25 cap? My understanding is that they do not.

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To my knowledge Melee or Ranged defence FS skills are not part of the cap tho I have not seen anything to either confirm or deny my suspicions. FS Correspondent?

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