Rifleman Archive

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PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

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flabajaba2213 wrote:

I think that what he meant is that the caliber of the rifle must be larger than that of a pistol. You know what would be fun? Instead of a spraystick for close range, give us a different gun that acted like a shotgun, but was AoE up to 10 meters.

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Heh, you know with a shotgun uh. You don't really have to aim.

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my mistake on the center justification on that last post. sorry, i just found it makes it incredibly hard to read so here it is, left-aligned

If I might be allowed to play devil's advocate as well...for a rifleman to have high accuracy while moving or not, s/he must hit master first, while a 0-0-4-3 pistoleer is already pretty accurate and fast. Riflemen drain their minds really quickly if they spam specials and healing the mind pool is a little harder than healing health or action, which the pistoleer mostly drains when spamming specials (and pistol HAM costs are lower). Riflemen RELY on buffs and food, while pistoleers don't really have to (except in PvP), they can just shoot and heal, shoot and heal. And yes, I wouldn't say pistoleers need balancing...they're not overpowered

Keltor, point well taken...These things I understand about a rifleman. But take two equally skilled players, One master rifleman, one master pistoleer, with no other SP spent in other professions. The rifleman will win hands down every time from ANY range. You also stated that a pistoleer can spam specials then heal himself.....This is true but every time he heals he drains his mind, and that tends to be the one HAM bar that rifleman attack, and unless you have a combat medic around, that isent getting healed ( and yes I know you can take foods and what not to "heal" your mind, but that argument is moot, a rifleman could take foods to prevent his mind HAM from draining so much with specials ).

NCresslinN

MDFRM

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SkipMalone wrote:

Ummm, Im not sure what game you have been playing, but rifleman own pistoleers. I see rifleman running around smoking PC and NPC with T21's and Jawa Ion rifles. I'll just play devils advocate here for a second. So you say a pistol is too powerful? How about rifleman being able to spam headshots while running hitting with near pin point accuracy? Plus, most high level NPC have medium orheavy armor.. pistoleers may as well spit on those targets. I can only think of 2 professions in this game that need some serious "balancing" and pistoleers are not one of them.

NCresslin

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EmeraldBlade wrote:
this poster is an idiot, im a master pistoleer with the best guns possible, and i just took up rifleman and was out damaging my pistols at rifles I of marksman. smarten up and do some research before you post.

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bullshot

you do more damage with rifles I than master pitoleer? get off the crack!!!!

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flabajaba2213 wrote:

I think that what he meant is that the caliber of the rifle must be larger than that of a pistol. You know what would be fun? Instead of a spraystick for close range, give us a different gun that acted like a shotgun, but was AoE up to 10 meters.

Btw, I am also a TKA/Doc on TC. Starting a rifleman/something as an alt. Probably MRM/MCH

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Rifle calibers are usually smaller than pistol caliber. Most common military rifle calibre is 5.56mm (.223). Most common military pistol round is 9mm (.38).

The difference in power however is the amount of powder propelling the charge. A rifle cartridge holds more powder and the larger size of the rifle allows it to handle the increased charge.

A rifle cartridge is generally about 4X longer than a pistol cartridge.

Which is why a rifle is more powerful than a pistol. But the pistol has the larger calibre.

I have to disagee with Waste93.

Most common rifle calibur is probably .30. Most common military pistol is probably .45 (law enforcement would be 9mm though).

Argubably 5.56mm is more common today, there are far more AK-47s in use by militarys then M-16s. But over history there have been FAR more .30 rifles developed and used (30-06 and 308), and still used today.

No real point to my posting, just thought I'd disagree with someone on this forum without it being a nerf post. lol

dmax999 wrote:

I have to disagee with Waste93.

Most common rifle calibur is probably .30. Most common military pistol is probably .45 (law enforcement would be 9mm though).

Argubably 5.56mm is more common today, there are far more AK-47s in use by militarys then M-16s. But over history there have been FAR more .30 rifles developed and used (30-06 and 308), and still used today.

No real point to my posting, just thought I'd disagree with someone on this forum without it being a nerf post. lol

The .45 was only really used by the US military. The 9mm was always the European choice and

hence the choice of their colonies too. 9mm is also the most common sub-machine gun round.

The most common police round, at least now in the us, is the .40 . The Europeans still favor the 9mm.

Yes the .30 was the most common rifle round in the past. During WWII the US had the .30-06

and .30carbine, German 7.92X57JS, Brits used the .303, and the Soviets used the 7.62X54R.

All those are basically a .30 , but that is still a smaller calibre than the 9mm. The 9mm is a .38

calibre round which is larger than the rifle .30 .

Yes there are a lot of AK-47's around. But people also have problems distinguishing between

the AK-47 and the AK-74. Many don't even know there is such a thing as the AK-74. They look

very similar and people have a habit of calling them all AK-47's. The AK-74 fires a 5.45mm

round. Many of those militaries you think use AK-47's are actually using AK-74's.

The AK-74, as the name indicates, was accepted in 1974. It was replacing the AK-47 as the

weapon for the front line Warsaw Pact troops. The most common distinguishing feature

between the 47 and the 74 is the muzzle brake and magazine. The 74 magazine is a brown

plastic. But with after maket mags it is possible to get ones like this for the 47. The other easy to

spot difference is the muzzle brake. The 47 has an angled cut on the end of the barrel to act as

a muzzle break or not brake at all.. The 74 has a two port muzzle brake. It looks similar to the

four port breaks used on the later model SVT-40's.

My post was that pistol rounds are usually a larger calibre than rifle rounds. But rifle rounds are

more powerful.

Message Edited by Waste93 on 03-08-2004 11:39 AM