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Thread: Rifleman and Block

Ygu
Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:03 pm
#14

It SAYS counter-attack, but I think it actually blocks. While dodging avoids the damage entirely, blocking only reduces the damage by one-half, if I understand it correctly.

meyer1215
Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:52 pm
#15

I dont know if it has change recently, but block has had 2 bugs up until last week.


First it shows as a counterattack in our combat logs, BUT it shows up as a block on other peoples combat logs.


Second, from pikemen tests, it was showing that block is not working at all. It says it blocks a shot, but the damage is still occuring. (Several people were saying that it was also not working on NPC's who block. The NPC would block, but the NPC would still take the damage) (Both Counterattack and dodge are currently working, allowing no damage at all to occur when sucessful.)


The fencer (or was it the pistoleer) corespondant was saying the formula for dodge/block/counterattack is similar to the "to hit" formula, but that it uses block in the place of melee/ranged defense. (ie. 100 ranged defense = ~100 block). He was also saying the blocking formula occurs as a second chance after the melee/ranged defense fails. Also so far, no one has been able to give a test-backed guess for the CoB formula, although the pistoleer corespondant is trying to get more info from the devs about all defenses. Hope he gets the info.


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Thecker
Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:11 pm
#16

Actually what they are trying to say imo is that you are 'Countering' the attack, a typo on their part?


I counter(block) about 3/4 of all misses that i get since the patch, or about 2-3 counters for every miss.


If im still taking damage from these hits it dosent seem to tell me but I guess i could look at it harder.


Note my melee defense is 121 so for me to counter so many attacks with 80 block, I have to believe that there is no


"to hit" bonus against blocks(counters) for melee.


Note that I normally dont melee with a rifle in my hand since im TKM Fencer also, I purposely checked to see what kind of hits the mobs were doing, and what my misses looked like with 121 melee defense (and 80 block). after the patch.


It appeared to me that i was hit twice as often as when holding no weapon. (just a rough estimate), despite the fact that I gotalot ofcounter's, I didnt get missed alot.







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Thecker
Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:21 pm
#17

Note tho that I HAVE seen rare(?) attacks that showed my armor preventing damage(halfish?) with no accompanying damage to me.






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antares_Kauri
Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:49 am
#18

Block:


Shows up as counterattack in your combat log, shows up as block in the logs of the people next to you.

Stops only 50% of the incoming damage unlike counterattack and dodge. (the other 50% hits the armor)

This 50% damage evasion has been confirmed by the devs to the pikeman correspondent that it is working as intended.

Happens rarely unless using Center of Being.


antares

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Leadhead101
Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:10 am
#19

For those of you that were wondering, dodge does work. That is the only one that does. It says you evade the attack or something like that. The other two do not work.



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antares_Kauri
Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:19 am
#20

Counterattack does work, very well, and just like dodge. Block "works" it is just 50% as effective.

antares
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IceNine777
Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:56 am
#21

it does just not alot.



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PyscoJuggalo
Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:35 pm
#22

Before you respond to this post, realize it's a necropost.


A warning from the Rifleman Necropost detector.........





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antares_Kauri
Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:02 pm
#23

It's still a completely valid topic.


antares

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SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
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PyscoJuggalo
Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:42 pm
#24






antares_Kauri wrote:

It's still a completely valid topic.


antares

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Yes but I had to warn people.



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CM's are like nukes. You have them just incase you need them, but as soon as you start using yours the other guys start using theirs and everything goes to hell-PyschoticChipmunk -The First line of the Riflenomican.
Trimble
Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:37 am
#25

Block does work.


However, by working, it only stops half of the damage and all states still stick.


Why is it that Rifleman have the 3rd highest melee/range defenses?





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beamstalk
Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:33 am
#26






PyscoJuggalo wrote:

If they fix block and make it worth something I'lltake uppikeman.


WOW that's scarry, you think we ever had it bad just read their boards.







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