Rifleman Archive

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_Macabre_ wrote:

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LLJK_Griz wrote:

Because of oddities with the armor system, you take MORE damage from ion rifle headshots with stun-layered composite than you would unarmored or with a standard stun-vulnerable helm, unless you have more than 25% stun resist. Any amount of stun resist will reduce damage from tangle pistol or stun baton, but not many people use those and there's a lot of riflemen with ion rifles.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=weaponsmith&message.id=24479

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I read the thread, and I may have missed something, but why would this be true for an AP1 Jawa Ion Rifle? This peculiarity should only come into play when AP > AR, as I understand it, and composite is AR1.

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composite is AR1 vs everything but Stun (vulnerability)... currently as coded AP does NOT work on vulnerabile damage types... if the armor has 1-24% effectiveness resist vs stun you will take MORE damage than if the armor was vulnerable (since the AP1 jawa will do 1.25x dmg)... special protections act like medium armor (makes AP2 weapons do AP1 dmg and AP3 into AP2)so choose your weapons with this in mind (I'd rather shoot a t-21 at a target with 45% special energy resist than one with energy vulnerability)

OUr armorsmiths have tried hard to get any kind of stun protection, there is even a rumor of a stun weapon nerf. But that's just people whining becuase a rifleman took them down. Right now with the 80% Kinetic Special Protection and 64% energy that's available on my server you pretty much have to have a Ion rifle to take anyone down. That's where PSG's come into play. I finna;y had a TKM able to charge me and take me out. He had that uber composite and a 32% stun special protection PSG. I applauded him for his efforts. Instead of crying "nerf" he found a way to beat us. If he wasn't a rebel I'd marry him

I totally agree, people need to invest in PSGs, thats what they are made for.............

Oops, I was wrong on that. Any stun protection will reduce jawa damage because of the AR1, the <25 rule is only for AP2-3 weapons. I shouldn't try to post about buggy confusing systems when I just got up and I'm still groggy.

PSGs do provide adequate protection if they don't lose their stun resist from the random stat shifting bug, but they're hard to find and break fast.

Shields break way too fast. One hit by a high dmage gun and its gone. I have a lot of money but frequent use of shields would surely eat up my funds pretty fast and dont even thinkabout repairing them they break 99% of all times you try.

Do shields work on top of armour or do they work just when you don't have armour on??? I've never really noticed in my combat logs saying that the shields reduced the damage by 20%. Or are they bugged??

Actually I think what he was saying is that he was wearing 80% composite armor including a stun layer. Which probably was like 10%. No way he had 80% stun protection AND got hit for 800 damage. He probably got hit by strafeshot2 for 800 damage with like 10-15% stun protection. Hell, it might have even been a very powerful T21 now that I think about it.

A jawa ion rifle can't do 800 PvP damage unless it is krayt enhanced. Not a lot of people have krayt enhanced ion rifles.

PSGs work on top of armor, but are very broken at the moment

Many armorsmiths boycott even making them until they are much more reliable

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LemyDaBigHairyWookie wrote:

composite is AR1 vs everything but Stun (vulnerability)... currently as coded AP does NOT work on vulnerabile damage types... if the armor has 1-24% effectiveness resist vs stun you will take MORE damage than if the armor was vulnerable (since the AP1 jawa will do 1.25x dmg)... special protections act like medium armor (makes AP2 weapons do AP1 dmg and AP3 into AP2)so choose your weapons with this in mind (I'd rather shoot a t-21 at a target with 45% special energy resist than one with energy vulnerability)

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Composite = AR1. Jawa = AP1.

AP gets thrown out if the armor is vulnerable to that type. AP is cancelled out if it's not.

So HOW does this make you take more damage? And why do headshots from a Jawa rifle do less damage when I have a 35% stun resist helm on? You're making no sense.