Rifleman Archive
Thread: A possable solution to the T21 vs ALR Debate!!!!
Geddeo wrote:
From what I can remember the master BH gun has the same caps as the alr and T21 yet comes standard with elemental dmg, so I don't see why you would need to lower the cap.
Drakenya wrote:
spincrus wrote:
And coming to the issue of T21s: The best solution is to give it an elemental damage.
T21s should have elemental HEAT damage of 60 on average, with 80 being the cap (if anyone's foolish enough to actually invest experimentation points on the elemental damage).
That should explain the 1 extra Advanced Blaster Power Handler required to craft it, as well as the lack of a scope component.
But to do this, they'd have to drop the min/max dmg on it, so it would balance out. Otherwise you'd have a gun over cap, which would unbalance (from a dev point of view). And if they did drop the min/max the same ammount as the elemental, I still would prefer an easier to get ALR that can get a 50+ acc bonus.
No, the cap on an HLR is I think 1150. If that isn't it exactly, it is still lower than an ALR. Unless all the ones I have seen/sliced were just badly made, but as of now, I have not seen one with base damage equal to ALRs/T21s.
True, the T21's cap is 1184, whereas the HLR's cap is 1150, with an average elemental damage of +40.
An ALR with a scope component (which gives +Accuracy and -Speed if it's a looted component) would still overpower the best made T21.
A HLR can be as good as the best made ALR because it has an elemental damage adding to the damage cap.
Adding an elemental damage to the T21 will make the best made T21 as good as the best made ALR (since one has the speed and accuracy advantage with a looted scope, whereas the other has an elemental damage advantage but is slower, maybe).
Maybe a T21 can have a range of 72? Why not? That's also a solution?
Optimus142 wrote:
It should be 80 meters. It would allow a Master rifleman not to have to wear to cybernetic arms instead of armor. After all we are snipers.
My reasoning exactly.
I was hoping to use 5 words to express my thought as time is precious, but obviously certain members of the community are intent in misinterpreting my sentiments.
I said "It is just a gun get over it", by this I simply mean that it is just a gun get over it. I am not insulting the profession or an individual. I ernestly believe there are a myriad of issues with the riflemen profession that warrant concern over and above which gun does what. We have a perfectly servicable set of rifles (ALR and Trando Hunting). Some smartass said that all bugs could be treated in this fashion. I disagree the T21 issue is a bug, it is a gun that is better in some respects but yes crucially worse in accuracy which has been covered.
Our beloved correspondent has provided us with a long list of issues. I rate the T21 issue about number 10 on that list. I am disapointed that people would jump down my throat because of this and deliberately mininterpret one post out of a set of posts as trolling. I have shown no trolling behaviour in past posts and I resent being likened to a child.
In the final analysis all you will achieve by harping on about this is a bunch of annoyed riflemen who find thier multi-million credit investment in a good ALR is now worthless due to either ALR being nerfed or T-21 being improved.
Message Edited by miodac on 09-20-2005 04:40 AM
miodac wrote:
I was hoping to use 5 words to express my thought as time is precious, but obviously certain members of the community are intent in misinterpreting my sentiments.
I said "It is just a gun get over it", by this I simply mean that it is just a gun get over it. I am not insulting the profession or an individual. I ernestly believe there are a myriad of issues with the riflemen profession that warrant concern over and above which gun does what. We have a perfectly servicable set of rifles (ALR and Trando Hunting). Some smartass said that all bugs could be treated in this fashion. I disagree the T21 issue is a bug, it is a gun that is better in some respects but yes crucially worse in accuracy which has been covered.
Our beloved correspondent has provided us with a long list of issues. I rate the T21 issue about number 10 on that list. I am disapointed that people would jump down my throat because of this and deliberately mininterpret one post out of a set of posts as trolling. I have shown no trolling behaviour in past posts and I resent being likened to a child.
In the final analysis all you will achieve by harping on about this is a bunch of annoyed riflemen who find thier multi-million credit investment in a good ALR is now worthless due to either ALR being nerfed or T-21 being improved.
Message Edited by miodac on 09-20-2005 04:40 AM
That smartass is me.
Message Edited by spincrus on 09-20-2005 06:07 AM
miodac wrote:
now most of your post is a simple flame which I wont dignify with a response.
The substantive point you make is flawed. The fact is that development effort / available changes to our profession is limited and changing
the T21 would be seen as a substantive giving of love to the rifleman profession when I think the issues we have are wider in scope and
I for one dont want to see them lost behind a superficial fix to the T-21.
How is my response a flame? I have tried to make a point when saying "who are you?". And that is "get your act together, because you're in no position to tell us what to do".
Besides, I have given answers to your claims.
Please do not try to flag my response as a flame in an effort to make yourself seem not guilty.
Message Edited by spincrus on 09-20-2005 06:25 AM
Calling me a child, calling me arrogant, I express an opinion you express an opinion nothing more. I just dont resort to name calling.
Anyway I had enough of this thread.