Rifleman Archive
Thread: The Ultimiate PvP-Rifleman Counter Tactic
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MoridinTheSick
Thu May 20, 2004 2:57 pm
#14
eat accuracy food
get more accurate guns
get accuracy skill tapes
get a DOT weapon
apply stun (flushing2) to decrease defense
if you can intimidate do that too
MoridinTheSick
Thu May 20, 2004 2:59 pm
#15
Rifleman is a support posisition NOT a frontline posisition, thanx to the jawa ion rifle, it is a frontline position.
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im sorry im gonna have to disagreee.. rifleman are like infantry in this game
carbineers are more like the special forces guys with their sub machine guns
pistoleers.. well how many times in a big war do you see guys shooting pistols
ok sorry for trying to bring realism into this but i wanted to comment on that
Ydk
Thu May 20, 2004 3:11 pm
#16
The counter to Fencer/Rifleman combo's is really Combat Medic. Fencer/Rifle is almost impossible to hit, especially when they are using stun batons and running their COB macro --- this is their strength. Their weakness? Poison. In fact, all of the defense stackers' weakness is poison, or another defense stacker.
Basically, this game seems to break down into the following:
1. Doc/Whatever (Rifle or Fencer) to deal with CM builds
2. Defense stackers aka Fencer/Rifle/TKA or Fencer/Brawler/Swordsman/TKA to deal with everyone that isn't a CM
3. CM/Rifle to deal with defense stackers
[Master Bounty Hunter]
mafiree
Thu May 20, 2004 4:51 pm
#17
MoridinTheSick wrote:
eat accuracy food
get more accurate guns
get accuracy skill tapes
get a DOT weapon
apply stun (flushing2) to decrease defense
if you can intimidate do that too
/agree
Das-Veyordo
Fri May 21, 2004 2:18 pm
#18
Kraftomatic wrote:
Anyone ever try to successfully shoot a fencer who is master (+105 Dodge), running a Center of Being macro and who is taking PvP dodge foods like %48 Chance to dodge and +## dodge skilltapes / +## dodge modaircake? It's IMPOSSIBLE
Out of 20 headshots you'd be lucky to hit 2 of them. and by the time you get in 1 or 2headshots, their mind has regenerated and you have wasted your own mind pool in HAM costs shooting at nothing.
So you decide to use your "other" moves beside the classic headshot. They pop 450-1300 heal stimpacks and your damage delt is healed automaticallyto the health and action pools every couple seconds.....
What is a Rifleman to do here folks? Not only can rifleman be countered and made useless by fencers and stackers alike, their attacks arereduced ALOT by %40 Stun Helmets, %50 or lower Shield Generators. Not to mention a brandy and dancers buff + muon + powerboost can give someone 4400-4500 mind... And since a rifleman has no great defenses except block, it is very easy to intimidate a rifleman, make them dizzy, stun blind posture down knock down etc them .... so that person with the 4600 mind you are barely hitting can own you good if they stick status effects, do a dizzy lunge or knockdown..and your done.
am I the only one who sees that by using good tactics and using the right foods /special attacksany class can be powerfull?
Rifleman are not as uber and overpowered as anyone thinks. People who scream NERF RIFLEMAN and grief don't know how how to use good tactics.
Boy was I wrong when I thought PvP was going to be nothing but Jawa and Headshot3, or Baton Scatter hit Lunge lunge. You need better tactics than this to win, and if you lose to it you are not fighting at your best ability so you can't really complain.
I am Rifleman / Fencer and with the new knockdown food and dodge food, TKM's/ Rifleman are sort of a piece of cake now...
The problem is I fought someone the other day, even with my baton out and suchI had to spam Lunge1 sooooo many times just to get them to one knee..took me soooo many dizzyhit2's to get them DIZZY... All my rifle attacks automatically missed....It was very frustrating.
What is the best tactic here? Try to intimidate them, then try to lunge dizzy...then back away with the jawa for a flushing 2 shot to stun...then do headshots?
But then I run into people who are almost impossible to posture down or dizzy..or headshot..and alot of them use uber DoT weapons so the combination of that damage and my HAM costs ticking away each time I Attack and miss, it really kills me.
What do you fellow rifleman do when faced with problems like these?
Any ideas for tactics?
Doc + Mrifle + novicebrawler
/intimidate
/kite
/healstate
/headshot3
game-
cherryred
Fri May 21, 2004 2:26 pm
#19
try using /aim
a dxr-6b
accuracy food
him them with flurry2 asap so they cant /burst... so you can kite better
hit them with stun via flushing2, lowering their defenses
TookyG
Sat May 22, 2004 9:17 pm
#20
Some combat professions are good counters against others. Not all combat professions are, nor should they be, equal.
Akinoor
Sun May 23, 2004 7:10 am
#21
Some tips for straight rms.
Using accuracy food (citrus cake or something) really helps.
When you start a fight, use your different guns to see what kind of armor/food your opponent is using. Ie if you notice your jawa is doing less damage than what he/she is regenerating, try your dxr-6 since there's a chance your opponent is using an encumbrace sliced stun helmet and a psg.
A nice damage sliced dxr-6 is really useful now when more and more are using PSGssince it bypasses it and has ap2.
A high damage t-21 has also gained usefullness since you can use it to wear down their PSG really fast.
Always use a dxr-6 with nice range mods when applying states since it's often even better than a range experimented e11 and it does good damage too.
Start with stunning them, then try dizzy followed by some quick supressionfire1's to have them kneel if you have that line in Marksman (get it otherwise if you can). Dizzy is also good for helping you run away or to help you kite.
Some other tips:
Since stun helmets seldom get over 80% base, bring a high sliced energy layered helmet (90% if you have one) and put it in your toolbar to use when you meet a swordsman or tkasince their kinetic/blast damage bypasses your PSG. Even more important if you are using a encumbrance sliced stun helmet.
Plan your stomach filling!!Chefs are now our gods and can grant us victory in battles!
Some foods like synthsteak or incap food have long duration so eat them long before a fight so you can refill with new synthsteak during the battle. With an empty stomach you can have 45% damage reduction for over 100 attacks just from it. I prefer synthsteak over Vercupti.
Brandy doesn't have as long duration but if you plan it right, you can have enough stomach for an extra brandy or even better: BLUE MILK (mind heal), during the battle.
Swetlana
Sun May 23, 2004 8:27 am
#22
If u take canape/brady u dun have any problem with yourown HAMcost. Then just run and strafe like 50 m away, if using t21 and 30-40 with jawa. Its not that hard to hit.
tehedin
Sun May 23, 2004 1:40 pm
#23
haha i find it hilarious that you FOTM robots need to dedicate an entire thread to pvp tactics because you can't get away with spamming a single special anymore
time to jump on that CM bandwagon LOLOLOLOL
Akinoor
Sun May 23, 2004 3:35 pm
#24
tehedin wrote:haha i find it hilarious that you FOTM robots need to dedicate an entire thread to pvp tactics because you can't get away with spamming a single special anymore
time to jump on that CM bandwagon LOLOLOLOL
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