Rifleman Archive

Items were on the floor or walls of my buildings. near 275 -5959 Coronet on Corellia

Char Name: Stettin Palver
Galaxy: Chilastra
Planet: Corellia


Final stats
T21 Rifle v1.8.6 (approx 533max before conversion 7.4 speed) (in my main shop in the back room on the floor)
Converted to....
3.0 531-1031 0-65m range 104 special cost (originally it was about 110 mind cost)

T21 Rifle (Exceptional pre-cov 3.6 spd 392-1354 dmg) (In the house labeled "Lonelan's house" behind my shop)
Converted to....
2.86 567-1133 0-65m range 104 special cost (originaly it was about 64 mind cost)

This takes a weapon that was 3x greater dmg almost to just about 100 more dmg (less than 10% greater) than the other model. I hardly think that is fair. I bet that I can craft a krayt t21 that will beat my almost 1400 dmg pre-cu T21 that will beat it. That just isn't right.

Well folks I just crafted two Krayt T21's, one with "converted" ABPH/Barrel and another with newly crafted parts..

T21 #1
ABPH 23-53 -2.0 spd (This is from a 21-82 -.99 converted crate made using 40 dmg -.5 tissue)
Barrel 17-43 -.90 4 wound
NO STOCK
Final stats: 2.59 spd 470-991dmg 30.96% wound 119 Attack Cost

T21 #2
ABPH 19-102 -1.98spd (Made from unconverted 57dmg -.51 tissue)
Barrel 18-44 -1.06 5 Wound 7 Attack Cost
NO STOCK
Final Stats: 2.58 spd 467-1041dmg 32.16% Wound 132 Attack Cost)

These stats are unsliced now....

This is hardly "Balance" Newly crafted krayt weapons made with exceptional tissues will surpass my previous "uber" Exceptional T21. In the end everyone will have an 1100 dmg or more T21 that wants one and there will be no variations in weapons out there.


Is it "fair" that a 530dmg t21 will come within 10% of a 1350dmg one? Is it "fair" that if someone has 6x100dmg tissues, they can surpass a previus t21 that was 1350dmg in the CU? That is what it is folks. This doesn't just affect your precious excpetionals. This affects the person that used 150dmg tissues in their nice DH17 Carbine which was aboug 300-400dmg pre-CU and is now cut down to 150dmg because it falls out of the "range" of damage of Dh17 Carbines. This also applies to uber PH beings usurpassed by making a Post-CU PH with 65/65 bones. Think your 1k dmg PH is great now? how about someone using a 100k bone to surpass yours come May5?

That is exactly my point. Exceptionals/Legendaries will be obsolete within a few months of the CU release because they will be surpassed by crafted ones made post CU.

If Legendaries/Exceptionals are supposed to be 10% better than the "cap" their conversion is not working as inteded.

Exactly my point - take it to the weapon conversion bug threads, but dont complain about them being brought within 10% of good crafted ones, thats intended. Just report them being _below_ good crafted ones.

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CharPrime wrote:

so you are telling me that if you loot a 2000 max t21 you would hope it gets ruin by the cu?

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Yes, for balance.

I prefer sacrificing a little bit of diversity to get rid of "I win" buttons.

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Eskie wrote:
I prefer sacrificing a little bit of diversity to get rid of "I win" buttons.

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I will remember that when/if youhave found some150 max dam tissues and it will not be any better than a normal sliced weapon. All weapons have caps and what you will see is an enhanced weapon get 3% damage slice (because it only need that much to reach cap) and a normal weapon might get 35% dam slice and they end up with about the same damge since both have reached the cap.

If all weapons become the same it is no longer worth time to find any good loot. it shoudl always be possible to become better by finding better loot etc.

Taking away all diversity will not make the game more fun.

However, this might still change.

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Bermag wrote:

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Eskie wrote:
I prefer sacrificing a little bit of diversity to get rid of "I win" buttons.

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I will remember that when/if you have found some 150 max dam tissues and it will not be any better than a normal sliced weapon. All weapons have caps and what you will see is an enhanced weapon get 3% damage slice (because it only need that much to reach cap) and a normal weapon might get 35% dam slice and they end up with about the same damge since both have reached the cap.

If all weapons become the same it is no longer worth time to find any good loot. it shoudl always be possible to become better by finding better loot etc.

Taking away all diversity will not make the game more fun.

However, this might still change.

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This has nothing to do with the conversion of weapons, which you posted about originally.

I dont support smart slicing or a hard cap on weapon max damage, either. As it is implemented now on TC-Ep3, you can either use crappy resources and a loot enhancer, crappy resources and a great slice or great resources and you will always have the same result (yes, its simplified, but this is the general direction it is going). You are not rewarded for spending the time to collect great resources _and_ using loot enhancers, which is wrong. Rather than setting a hard cap and employing a curve with diminishing returns towards that cap, it would be better to set a hard cap for legendary weapons, set a hard cap for crafted ones about 5% below the legendary cap. This max for crafted ones should include slicing and enhancers.

This would result in a table like the following:
- 120% = legendary loot
- 115% = crafted from best resources with loot enhancers, getting a great slice
- 100% = crafted from best resources

But this has nothing to do with weapon conversion, its another topic.

Have you ever seen a 4k+ max dmg T-21 strafing every second? Nasty, and unbalancing big time.

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COLDFUSION11 wrote:

and if your so attatched to it that you can't go on living without it... drink some bleech, always solves that problem...

Message Edited by COLDFUSION11 on 04-17-2005 04:09 PM

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lol =P

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Heronemous wrote:

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Rinviero wrote:

Have you seen the reports from TC Bria, seems existing weapons are in for a big nerf.... A 1.5k damage T21 got downgraded to the point where one crafted post CU with base tissues will out damage it.......

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well that cant be right I remeber the exact words from the devs:
"If you had a very good weapon before the cu, you will still have a very good weapon after the cu"

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KnightHawk420 wrote:

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Heronemous wrote:

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Rinviero wrote:

Have you seen the reports from TC Bria, seems existing weapons are in for a big nerf.... A 1.5k damage T21 got downgraded to the point where one crafted post CU with base tissues will out damage it.......

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well that cant be right I remeber the exact words from the devs:
"If you had a very good weapon before the cu, you will still have a very good weapon after the cu"

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It can be right... its just a matter of point of view.

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It is not quite to that point, I on TC-Chilly used some 57 tissues and got a faster gun, within 60-70 dmg of my Exceptional that was converted. So I would day if you found some 120-130dmg tissue sets you can easily surpass any Exceptional T21 that was converted (if they don't change the conversion algorithms)