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Thread: whats so wrong with rifleman 4004? its awesome headshot 3 and good speed

Dcn
Mon May 31, 2004 2:10 pm
#14

Sounds fun



Dcn Corleone (RECON)
Buttersjosh
Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:10 am
#15

well they are from what i hear redoing the HAM system so anything that works may not work when that happens.
I have no clue what the HAM change maybe don't think anyone does but if the mind pool become healable riflepeople are in a whole new world of nerf going the way of CH



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Fred_Skinner
Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:56 am
#16

I did consider this with a melee prof to keep Ranger. The difference in Master Rifleman and "advanced" novice like this is not even competitive in PvE, let alone PvP. You are better off with Pistols, really. One massive shot every 4 seconds will get you killed more often then lots of average shot every second. No, I am not convince, given another ranged prof of any 2 trees that you can pick, that you can get away with this in the template. It would be more of a load then a help in the template.



Frederick Skinner
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UWSkeletor
Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:55 pm
#17

I think what a lot of people are missing is I don't think he's planning on rifle being his meat and potatoes, he is planning on using his poison for that. In which case 4004 rifleman will suit you fine, you can lob your poisons, and run away until they have 1 mind left, run back in and spam some headshot2's until you hit them and then ranged db.


I would suggest getting enough dr. to heal poisons though, as I would consider that more important than healing a dizzy.


Obviously, as others have said you won't have the full potential of a master rifleman, but that's not what you want, you want your CM to be your main profession, and rifleman to complement it, which it should do fine, except when you run into another doctor, then you'll be screwed. I'm thinking a fencer/doc would be unbeatable for you.



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Valcyn
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CrashNgoBoom
Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:16 pm
#18

The problem is this, if your main attack is poison, you'll be a corpse against any master rifleman before your poison even ticks once. A Jawa with a speed of 1.9 can't be much more powerful then a spray stick unless it has it's speed form some ub3r krayt tissues. You might do good if you are caught in a large fray and you stick a poison on them without them noticing you long enough to finish with a head shot.



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CrashNgoBoom
Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:17 pm
#19

The problem is this, if your main attack is poison, you'll be a corpse against any master rifleman before your poison even ticks once. A Jawa with a speed of 1.9 can't be much more powerful then a spray stick unless it has it's speed form some ub3r krayt tissues. You might do good if you are caught in a large fray and you stick a poison on them without them noticing you long enough to finish with a head shot.



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BlasterForHire
Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:28 am
#20

lol.. he has a 1.9 spd jawa-- he doesn't need master level speed to shoot headshot 3 at the cap. the +70 for rifle special abilities is enough.

but, no one's yet mentioned why this is a bad idea for pvp. I can sum it up in one word:

accuracy.


jawa's suck for accuracy. and, even having sniping 4 isn't enough. My guess is you'll miss too much to make it worthwhile. the extra +40 base accuracy and addtional +10 acc while moving that you get at master makes the difference between being able to hit a defensive prof and not.

try it if you want-- but, my guess is you won't be able to hit a master fencer with that jawa 1 time out of 20.
UWSkeletor
Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:59 am
#21






CrashNgoBoom wrote:

The problem is this, if your main attack is poison, you'll be a corpse against any master rifleman before your poison even ticks once. A Jawa with a speed of 1.9 can't be much more powerful then a spray stick unless it has it's speed form some ub3r krayt tissues. You might do good if you are caught in a large fray and you stick a poison on them without them noticing you long enough to finish with a head shot.







well, I think master cm/anything will have the same problem. A CM isn't a great 1 vs 1 profession, but they can dominate large battles. Obviously I'm hoping along with everyone else that this will change, but currently, it's usually the side with more CM's that wins. With his template he can sit in the back of the group and lob area poisons, then finish people off with a headshot2 and ranged db.


Although I'm guessing with full mind buffs, brandy + that mind food, + 40% stun helmet and imperial PSG, a CM could last long enough 1 vs 1 against a master rifleman to finish him off, but I could be wrong. Although he'd win in the end if he stuck a mind disease on as well, unless of course you are facing a doctor, which as I said in my previous post you are screwed then.


Although, how do CM's fair against doctors if they use that havla or whatever? I suppose then it depends if the doctor uses it too.




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Valcyn
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Zeenk
Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:13 pm
#22

You're all wrong. Heh, I just wanted to say that.


Rifleman 4000 is fine, or just novice. The problem here is he wants to Master Combat Medic, that's is primary. Well, that's not about going 1 on 1 in PVP. That's a group support class, area healing and area poisoning. And anything you pick up in addition will add to it, whether it's extra damage or extra defenses you are looking for.


Do yourself a favor, head to the COMBAT MEDIC forum. They'll tell you how some rifle skills helps them or not. Most people here are Riflemen first.







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Pire
Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:24 pm
#23

well i know of one thing that is inherently wrong with headshot 3 ....... or rather will be .....


the combat revamp.


read up on it.




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