Rifleman Archive

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Sleksheea wrote:

Well, just click the link and everything will be self-explainatory. I'm a master pistoleer and was using a .9 speed FWG5 pistol. He was using a jawa (speed unknown). Now I should shoot fast... he was shooting much faster... 7 times a second! Can anyone explain this? OMG I can't wait for the combat patch (rifleman nerf patch). Well, maybe I can, I'm dumping this $POS$ game for WoW when it comes out anyway. Till then, back to chefing.

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I am 5-starring this post because I think it is important to expose the real thinking behind many of the nerf cries against us, and this post is classic in that regard. He is right, the link makes everything very clear. The only issue here was that he lost.

Sleksheea, I am sorry to pick on you further, but there is more that needs to be pointed out here. I looked back through the combat log and noticed some other things besides the fact that you fired more shots in the same amount of time while claiming that he did.

First, the log shows that every shot he fired was Master Headshot. That is a 3x damage modifier, targeted pool special. However, I also noted that, except for the last attack you did right as you got incapped, every shot you fired said, "You shoot opponentname for xxx damage." When you fire a special,the record in the log isworded more like what his shots said, something like, "You shoot opponentname with specialname for xxx damage." But none of your shots say that, which suggests that you were using autofire the entire attack until it was too late, at which point you tried to use Pistol Melee Defense1. Autoattack has no damage multiplier (other than the standard ranged damage multiplier of 1.5x), and it hits random pool, meaning what damage it does is spread across three pools.

I also note that, despite your insistence that you are using an FWG5, the log shows that this was not the case or that, at least at some point, you switched to a DX2. Shortly before you were incapped, it said, "The powerup on your Jenco DX2 has expired." So you were undeniably, at least at some point, using something besides this FWG5 you claim.

So, in my opinion, you have a real credibility problem here. You claim to be using a different gun than the evidence shows. You claim he was shooting faster than you despite the fact that the evidence shows you clearly fired more shots in the same time frame, and you were using autofire against someone using a 3x damage, targeted pool special.

Again, I am sorry to be harsh, but that last message should have said, "You cannot Pistol Melee Defense 1 because you clearly do not know what you are doing."

You may well have good combat skills, and you may do well in other encounters, but the problem herewas not that you got beat because someone was firing faster than you (because he was not). The problem was that you tried to compete against a targeted pool attack with autofire.

This kind of post is exactly why nerf cries against rifles need to be stopped. People who know what they are doing can compete against a Master Rifleman, but not if they think, because they can fire at the speed cap with autofire, that they can beat a Rifleman firing Master Headshot at close to the same speed. It just is not going to, nor should it, happen.

By the way, his Jawa was not particularly special. If you average the damage, then factor out the special damage modifier, the standard ranged shot damage modifier, and the PvP damage reduction, you find that the rifle has an average damage by itself of about 186. That is about what an average Jawa should have.

Message Edited by Sotaudi on 06-04-2004 01:36 PM

"the powerup on youre Jenco DX2 Pistol has expired" ....

Wasnt it a featherweight ??

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Alastor_Ragna wrote:

"the powerup on youre Jenco DX2 Pistol has expired" ....

Wasnt it a featherweight ??

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Sleksheea, you seriously are the stupidest troll I have ever seen. Actually... you don't even deserve the word 'troll.' You are just a wannabe troll... haha now go TRY to troll somewhere else, cause we don't want to listen to this crap anymore.

i think once i hit master i can still do 7 shots a second, but thats only with a speed sliced spraystick AND a speed powerup. i have one like that for curiosity. it has 1.1 spd on it. or around there.

not with the otehr weapons though. bummer.

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Pire wrote:

i think once i hit master i can still do 7 shots a second, but thats only with a speed sliced spraystick AND a speed powerup. i have one like that for curiosity. it has 1.1 spd on it. or around there.

not with the otehr weapons though. bummer.

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No you can't since there is a hardcap of 1 second you cannot go faster. Or TKA would hit you with their second hit before they started their first (they have 115 Speed, and can even get negative delay times actually ) Still only hit once per second.