Rifleman Archive

Thread: Gimped Bothan Riflemen (New Stat Requirements)

nihilix
Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:52 am
#1

Even as the rifleman class (along with half of the classes in this game) is already gimped (no mind healing for our huge special costs, poor damage per second with the accuracy / fire rate when compared to pistols, huge downtime after fighting, huge melee damage [which isnt that bad, but still]), now soe decides that I have to have 1000 action at the very least just because I'm a Bothan.


Ok, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that I could change the stats to whatever I want, and I do believe that this was clearly stated (pronounced, strongly stressed) many times before the game was even released. Despite this, you'd think with a Bothan's 20+ cover and camo, that they would be ideal snipers with strong minds. This action stuff makes no sense. As a rifleman, I have to use my mind bar more than anything else. keep in mind, there is no way to heal it in battle and the big rifles eat it away so fast you're incapped before anything even has a chance to do it themselves. Now i have 200 more action than i wanted. 200 hp wasted, totally useless. my health bar is going to take a hit just to make my mind back to what it was. ill be walking around with 600 health, it seems.


that's ok, now i can wait 10 minutes for a shuttle, explore the lack of content, or watch the pathetic pvp system from a distance as people kd each other, without my rifle skills. good move, soe. hey, don't homeworld 2 and half life 2 come out soon?




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Previously Taidan Nihilix, Grumpy, Bitter Master Weaponsmith/Master Rifleman Bothan
Currently Taiden Nihilix, Grumpy, Bitter Master Doctor/soon to be Master Rifleman Human.
Selling newbie melon for 20 million credits
Rcuhljr
Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:55 am
#2

Well thats why I didn't pick bothan, *shrug*



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Ghobri Felkar - Rifleman [2,0,0,1] Chef [shelved until fixed] CH [What do you do when you have scout exp coming out of orifices?] - Lowca
Jimy Euringer -ID/Musician/Dancer -Bloodfin
Atekazza - Planned CH/smuggler
Rebu'Nam Teel - planned Master Architect Master WS Master Merchant
DarkPhibre
Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:12 pm
#3






Iodan wrote:
Dang Dark, you beat me to the punch




Just barely. I couldn't believe no one eolse had realized what was going on. I've made it a point of checking the dev forums every morning before I log on, to know if there's a secret suprise waiting to make my life more interesting.
Dahjiel
Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:54 pm
#4

I would like to pipe up on this issue as a Bothan myself. The whole reason I picked the dimunitive Bothan was for their specific mods in cover and camoflage. It does sound like the Bothan, with these mods, would be the ultimate rifleman.



But no, even before this patch, I have so much action and quickness, I don't know what to do with it. My health sucks and mind is just average. Why in the world would Bothan be given these great racial mods for the rifleman profession, but only average mind stats. It really kinda sucks. Health is totaly fubar'd no matter what for us. Action is wonderful, all Bothans should be Carbineers. But mind, especially as a rifleman, leave a lot to be desired.


I don't think they really thought this out very much at all. In fact, I really don't know why anybody would play a Bothan. They just seem to be totally useless as a race in this game. The only reason I am one, is because that is what I picked from the get go with the anticipation that I would be a Rifleman with these great racial mods. Well, it didn't really turn out as planned, and now the only choice would be to re roll on another server. As a Zabrak or Human.




Tagit Kraitea
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SWG-Skemo
Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:24 pm
#5

Power to the Bothan Rifleman!!!111 w00t!!!!111!!


*fires 4 headshot3's and is out of mind*


oh wait....


I really hope they fix that, as I too am pretty f'd.




Morven

Proprietor of Morven's Culinary Creations - Brenn (-3083, 3252)

Master Chef - Master Rifleman

"Cooking up death, one headshot at a time."
TristanSim
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:10 am
#6

Did they seriously just change the min action on Bothans to 1000? like when? Today? Did they change any other min/max's for anything else? other races?

Oh, and Rcuhljr, saying thats why you didn't pick Bothan is a pretty pr1ck thing to say. It's not like you knew that he'd invest all this time becoming Riflemen, adjusting the stats and then one day find out that the whole plan got changed around.
Rcuhljr
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:22 am
#7

I assumed this was the way his stats where when he chose the race, not that they where changed once he had it. And spending time thinking about what proffession you would like to pursue is an important part of race choice, if your unsure go human or something well rounded, and if you later decide you want to switch to a different class it might be worth picking a more suitable race.



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Ghobri Felkar - Rifleman [2,0,0,1] Chef [shelved until fixed] CH [What do you do when you have scout exp coming out of orifices?] - Lowca
Jimy Euringer -ID/Musician/Dancer -Bloodfin
Atekazza - Planned CH/smuggler
Rebu'Nam Teel - planned Master Architect Master WS Master Merchant
nihilix
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:25 am
#8

Had I have known that my ham bars couldn't have been moved around (and they said that they could be in the faq and forums, repeatedly), I wouldn't have picked Bothan. I thought that cover and camo would give Bothans a small edge in rifle at the time (although it turns out, both are bugged and useless). They took a complete 180 on this subject 2 months after release once I already have 6 skill boxes of rifleman... **edit** is that?




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Previously Taidan Nihilix, Grumpy, Bitter Master Weaponsmith/Master Rifleman Bothan
Currently Taiden Nihilix, Grumpy, Bitter Master Doctor/soon to be Master Rifleman Human.
Selling newbie melon for 20 million credits
DarkPhibre
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:30 am
#9

This was a bug created by yet another hotpatch. The developers discovered that some people were able to migrate stats *higher* than the race's maximums. They "fixed" those characters... but in the processes changed all Bothans to have a minimum action of 1000 (it was nowhere near this before).


Don't worry... they'll be fixing this pronto, as enough people have started complaining. My recommendation: Don't touch your stats... you might make it harder for them to fix (as evidenced by countless tickets ending with, "Well, we could fix that... but then you've already done xyz, so we can't")

Iodan
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:32 am
#10

This was a bug, they are working on fixing it.. They were trying to "fix" some folks who had migrated their stats beyond the racial max & they borked it.



Should go back to the way it was, if it is not back already.


Man, there have been so many beatings that everything that happens is interpreted as a nerf. Not to say that this isnt a


colossal


forkup.



http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Development&message.id=390856#M390856

Iodan
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:33 am
#11

Dang Dark, you beat me to the punch
Seflyn
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:35 am
#12

As a human my min action has gone from below 700 to 800.



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nihilix
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:40 am
#13

I do take the no content part back, lol. just kinda got angry at how bugged and messed up this game is. it makes the actualy game seem irrelevant.



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Previously Taidan Nihilix, Grumpy, Bitter Master Weaponsmith/Master Rifleman Bothan
Currently Taiden Nihilix, Grumpy, Bitter Master Doctor/soon to be Master Rifleman Human.
Selling newbie melon for 20 million credits
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