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I was attempting to help someone out with a villiage quest this weekend, and ended up having an argument about bleed pulling.

My job was to pull the high level sith out of their base so the others could pick them off one by one. Being a Ranger I very rarely hunt NPCs - I wasn't even aware they could be pulled one at a time. So I figured it would be an interestesting learning experience. One that ended up having a very sharp curve. But I'll skip the tales of bloody death and dismemberment and get right to the argument.

The person I was with insisted that I use conceal shot to pull the siths. I have not used the pull method of hunting much (I prefer they NEVER aggro me), but I was pretty sure I needed to use a bleed, peace, and wait for the tic. I got called a moron (okay, the term was a bit stronger ) for not knowing how to pull. Two riflemen I was on teamspeak with at the time agreed that they always used a bleed and not conceal shot. Both of them are very experienced and I am confident they are right.

However, is there a secondary way of pulling that I am missing that involves conceal shot? Or is the confusion coming from the fact that conceal shot will sometimes cause a bleed, which will aggro the animal?

Thanks!

Message Edited by Mo-Katep on 10-25-2004 07:08 AM

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Barb-Wire wrote:

personally i woulda said CYA!!! and left soon as the insults started. but those sith arent like other NPC. i had more success just using a non-special attack and letting inherent single pull ability draw one out. sometimes i got two but that seemed to work better then the normal bleed and run tactic.

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I did leave but it was via cloner, which was less than satisfying.

Actually I couldn't blame the guy for his frustration, we had several miscommunications.
1. He said the turrets would be inactivated when the sheilds went down. Since I was being ripped apart by SOMETHING that de-aggro'd as soon as I stepped out of range, I thought differently. None of the sith I could see were aggroing me and nothing chased me.
2. Since I couldn't get in range of the sith without suffering severe health problems, another group member told me to send a pet in to attack the turret and the sith wouldn't aggro it (okay...) Against my better judgement - I am a MCH, I should know better - I did so and of course they all aggro'd.
3. We all died.

So I can forgive the bad words directed at me, since it was my fault. I just didn't think it had to do with the fact I wasn't using conceal shot. I wanted to ask him more about why he thought that, but figured I'd get a better answer here.

Thanks for the verification!

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Vorpaks wrote:

I did leave but it was via cloner, which was less than satisfying.

Actually I couldn't blame the guy for his frustration, we had several miscommunications.
1. He said the turrets would be inactivated when the sheilds went down. Since I was being ripped apart by SOMETHING that de-aggro'd as soon as I stepped out of range, I thought differently. None of the sith I could see were aggroing me and nothing chased me.
2. Since I couldn't get in range of the sith without suffering severe health problems, another group member told me to send a pet in to attack the turret and the sith wouldn't aggro it (okay...) Against my better judgement - I am a MCH, I should know better - I did so and of course they all aggro'd.
3. We all died.

So I can forgive the bad words directed at me, since it was my fault. I just didn't think it had to do with the fact I wasn't using conceal shot. I wanted to ask him more about why he thought that, but figured I'd get a better answer here.

Thanks for the verification!

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i am sorry to hear of your miss-adventure. you should go with your gut feeling, instinct and knowledge of the game more often. you were correct in EVERY instance here.

1. the turrets were ripping you appart and have to be destroyed. they do NOT de-aggro on their own.

2. you are a master ch, you know full and well how NPCs react to your pets. you were correct in doubting these would be any different.

3. you all died, but none of it was your fault. if you had been allowed to use the methods you KNOW work (single-bleed-pull, etc.) you could have completed this mission.

assertiveness training my friend! LOL just put your foot down when you know you are right. and you were right

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WayneInAustin wrote:

No,you are right.

The way to pull is MindShot + Peace + move out of range + wait for first tick.

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QFE.

You *can* pull with concealShot, but you have to wait for a random bleed to stick, which *can* take awhile.

just in case you are willing to help someone else do this quest, here's my bit of advice. kill the turrets, one at a time, _before_ the shield is dropped. makes life a whole lot easier. then, if there's a tk, have them run up, drop the gates and inner turret as soon as the shield is dropped, then run back out.

not that i'm a rifleman, but in my experience with carbines, i can shoot a critter/npc with a bleed shot, then peace, and it'll aggro me after the first bleed. it can be a bad day for me when i bleed a group instead of an individual... seems like it should work that way for rifles, too. i'm guessing they insisted on conceal shot since the target doesn't know who is attacking it and they figured the other sith wouldn't either so the group of them wouldn't chase you. sorry to hear you died; those sith aren't wimps.

nils
master pikeman/master carbineer
kauri/corellia/tyrena

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NilsMakaby wrote:
just in case you are willing to help someone else do this quest, here's my bit of advice. kill the turrets, one at a time, _before_ the shield is dropped. makes life a whole lot easier. then, if there's a tk, have them run up, drop the gates and inner turret as soon as the shield is dropped, then run back out.

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Thank you! And I'm taking the good advice about assertiveness above. Next time I do this - I lead.

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jalexu wrote:

Also make sure you're prone when pulling humanoid NPCs via bleed

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Why?

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Anoq wrote:

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jalexu wrote:

Also make sure you're prone when pulling humanoid NPCs via bleed

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Why?

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if your standing they will all see you and have a very good chance to come after you immediately on the first shot

if your kneeling the chance is reduced a great deal

if your prone they will almost never all come after you on the first shot.

must be at 50m+ for this to work with good success.

Message Edited by Barb-Wire on 10-28-2004 08:25 AM