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Thread: Rifleman IS NOT overpowered
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DaveG
Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:44 am
#1
I tried dueling against a TKM friend last night.
He beat me every time, because TKM seems to have the ability to knock you down even ata range of just over 10m.
Before we started a duel I made sureI wasn't standing in point blank proximity of him (obvious), and as soon as it started, I'd run AWAY while attempting to land a dizzy on him (to stop him burst running after me), but EVERY SINGLE TIME before I could even get a shot off, from across the gap between us, he'd land a KD on me.
From this experience, I will scoff at anyone who says the rifleman profession is overpowered. Yes we have powerful abilities, no argument there, but we're no more powerful (in different ways) than other combat professions. Take Combat Medic for example too, they are ridiculously overpowered, they just throw a poison bomb and BANG instant death.
The thing that we have going for us in PvP, is if we can get the element of surprise. The only way we can do that is if we have protection in numbers, so that there are too many red blips on your target's radar so that it takes a while for them to work out where you are. Let's face it, since the battlefields don't work, that hardly happens. If someone starts shooting at you, it's pretty obvious to work out where they are.
XaverriJade7
Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:16 pm
#3
AldeonAvardulin wrote:
There are ways to counter rifleman, but there are other ways to make it so you counter the problems you are having. You just have to have the right spec, and right gear and you can pretty much do alot of things. But usually every template is countered by something.
Message Edited by AldeonAvardulin on 08-13-2004 12:20 PM
This is so obvious and yet no one I say it to seems to get it. I really may go insane one of these days... 
DaveG
Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:20 pm
#4
StandUpWookie wrote:
um, you are a MAster Rifleman and Master Ranger. OF COURSE a TKM is gonna own you every time in pvp. All he has to do is get close enought to knock you down.Isn't that what I just said?Last time I checked the ranger line has nothing to do with pvp.
Drop ranger and pick up TKM if you wanna own him.
Or, get a damaged sliced and powerup t21 or a damage sliced and powerup Jawa and kill him in a few shots.
I was using such weapons
Oh, and why are you NOT using burst run. You are a ranger, dont you get some kind of run bonus. At master rifle level accuracy and speed are high enough that he should never even get close to you.
He knocked me down before I could burst run, I think I said this above.
Anyway MR is over powered. Anytime I can fire at the same rate as a master pistoleer and point blank range with no real loss for accuracy and do like 5 times the damage, I would say thats overpowered.
And pistoleers can fire at rifleman range, meh. The point in, we are poweful, but we're not invulnerable.
At one time we were pretty much average in PVE and really good in PvP provided we got the first shot. Then buffs/armor/food came and now we own PvE (with other master combat professions) and are still very good at PvP.
Overpowered you bet, but so are other master combat classes....I doubt this will ever be fixed. At last we agree on somethingThe supposed combat revamp will lower everyones power and force grouping, which is the day a lot of people will quit including myself. I am glad we are overpowered, it makes the game a little more enjoyable for me.
SUwookie
DaveG
Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:22 pm
#5
XaverriJade7 wrote:
This is so obvious and yet no one I say it to seems to get it. I really may go insane one of these days...
/applaud.
LiakyK
Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:40 pm
#6
StandUpWookie wrote:um, you are a MAster Rifleman and Master Ranger. OF COURSE a TKM is gonna own you every time in pvp. All he has to do is get close enought to knock you down. Last time I checked the ranger line has nothing to do with pvp.Drop ranger and pick up TKM if you wanna own him.Or, get a damaged sliced and powerup t21 or a damage sliced and powerup Jawa and kill him in a few shots.Oh, and why are you NOT using burst run. You are a ranger, dont you get some kind of run bonus. At master rifle level accuracy and speed are high enough that he should never even get close to you.Anyway MR is over powered. Anytime I can fire at the same rate as a master pistoleer and point blank range with no real loss for accuracy and do like 5 times the damage, I would say thats overpowered.At one time we were pretty much average in PVE and really good in PvP provided we got the first shot. Then buffs/armor/food came and now we own PvE (with other master combat professions) and are still very good at PvP.Overpowered you bet, but so are other master combat classes....I doubt this will ever be fixed. The supposed combat revamp will lower everyones power and force grouping, which is the day a lot of people will quit including myself. I am glad we are overpowered, it makes the game a little more enjoyable for me.SUwookie
You know if you really think riflemen is overpowered leave the f*ckin profession and quit being a FOTMer.
AldeonAvardulin
Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:19 am
#7
There are ways to counter rifleman, but there are other ways to make it so you counter the problems you are having. You just have to have the right spec, and right gear and you can pretty much do alot of things. But usually every template is countered by something.
Message Edited by AldeonAvardulin on 08-13-2004 12:20 PM
StandUpWookie
Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:52 am
#8
um, you are a MAster Rifleman and Master Ranger. OF COURSE a TKM is gonna own you every time in pvp. All he has to do is get close enought to knock you down. Last time I checked the ranger line has nothing to do with pvp.
Drop ranger and pick up TKM if you wanna own him.
Or, get a damaged sliced and powerup t21 or a damage sliced and powerup Jawa and kill him in a few shots.
Oh, and why are you NOT using burst run. You are a ranger, dont you get some kind of run bonus. At master rifle level accuracy and speed are high enough that he should never even get close to you.
Anyway MR is over powered. Anytime I can fire at the same rate as a master pistoleer and point blank range with no real loss for accuracy and do like 5 times the damage, I would say thats overpowered.
At one time we were pretty much average in PVE and really good in PvP provided we got the first shot. Then buffs/armor/food came and now we own PvE (with other master combat professions) and are still very good at PvP.
Overpowered you bet, but so are other master combat classes....I doubt this will ever be fixed. The supposed combat revamp will lower everyones power and force grouping, which is the day a lot of people will quit including myself. I am glad we are overpowered, it makes the game a little more enjoyable for me.
SUwookie
Warmaker01
Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:26 am
#9
For the original poster, if you're against melee stackers, I believe you possess 2 big advantages.
Master Rifleman- Well, we know of the advantages. A solid, working, ranged profession.
Master Ranger- You have insane Terrain Negotiation.
Pick your battlegrounds against your buddy (or opponent). Take the fight to the hills or mountains where your superior terrain negotiation will allow you to kite like no other. If your target ducks back into a building or town, don't fall for it, unless you can maneuver wide with good range to get your shots in. Most of all, have Burst Run ready to go if your opponent decides to go full throttle towards you. Whatever you do, keep at the VERY least 25m between you and your target.
With your T.Negotiation, fighting in nice, levelled cities/towns negates your advantage in the wild. Not to mention running into buildings if you're not watching out. Corner yourself and *POW* one dead Rifleman/Ranger.
It can work for you with to a degree since some of the melee def.stackers are just that: All melee with very high defenses. Alot of them (including ranged players) scoff at even the Exploration line for Scout.
Now, couple things where your current template will have trouble: Melee/Ranged hybrids, Smugglers, anything with ranged posture down/KD attacks. With Master Ranger & Master Rifleman, you must accept the fact that you have no Def. vs XXX mods of good use. I'm not saying for you to drop Ranger, but I myself would just resign to the fact that there are templates out there that would defeat me easily. It's a big matter of fighting the right fight for yourself.
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed."
Waste93
Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:50 am
#10
One not well know issue in regards to Terrain Negotiation. It caps at +50. Anything over that is a bonus to crawl speed. So you will be nearly as fast as a Ranger with just Exploration IV from Scout.
Warmaker01 wrote:
Master Ranger- You have insane Terrain Negotiation.
Pick your battlegrounds against your buddy (or opponent). Take the fight to the hills or mountains where your superior terrain negotiation will allow you to kite like no other. If your target ducks back into a building or town, don't fall for it, unless you can maneuver wide with good range to get your shots in. Most of all, have Burst Run ready to go if your opponent decides to go full throttle towards you. Whatever you do, keep at the VERY least 25m between you and your target.
Warmaker01
Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:59 am
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Waste93 wrote:
One not well know issue in regards to Terrain Negotiation. It caps at +50. Anything over that is a bonus to crawl speed. So you will be nearly as fast as a Ranger with just Exploration IV from Scout.
Are you serious? That's screwed up! I was planning on trying Ranger out, too.
Jhyson-Bria
Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:26 am
#12
Think your opponent likely has Master Brawler in his template. He likely used Unarmed Lunge2 on you, which has a 20m range and a knockdown effect, but goes against posture change (down) resistance, not knockdown resistance (generally has a better success ratio).
LiakyK
Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:42 am
#13
Dunno, I think Brawler hits are 5m base... and with lag I can see KD2 hitting up to 15m.
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