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Thread: I heard it from...

HornedSandRanger
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:24 am
#1

Friends on test center....


Combat revamp.


Supposedly rifleman will only be able to use Mindshot while kneeling and aiming. you get 3 shots then u must aim again. Haven't heard if it affects HS3 but it's probably safe to assume it would. Thoughts? Comments? I personally am a little upset. I like rifleman the way it is with the exception it's not the greatest stand alone pvp combat prof. So why nerf MS and HS? Hmm... a little upsetting indeed.




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Ialwysdie
Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:03 pm
#2






HornedSandRanger wrote:

Friends on test center....


Combat revamp.


Supposedly rifleman will only be able to use Mindshot while kneeling and aiming. you get 3 shots then u must aim again. Haven't heard if it affects HS3 but it's probably safe to assume it would. Thoughts? Comments? I personally am a little upset. I like rifleman the way it is with the exception it's not the greatest stand alone pvp combat prof. So why nerf MS and HS? Hmm... a little upsetting indeed.





Combat revamp or upgrade or whatever they want to call it is gonna change alot of things to normal professions.


With any change tactics are gonna have to change as welll.


I view rifleman IMO as being a High damage output at a High cost of mobility. Curretnly this is not the case from my experiences. You can look at Mindshot and Headshot to be precision hits which requireyou to aim.


If Rifleman are to lose their mobility then they should get a range benefit to compensate.


DarthMarksman
Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:14 pm
#3






Ialwysdie wrote:



I view rifleman IMO as being a High damage output at a High cost of mobility. Curretnly this is not the case from my experiences. You can look at Mindshot and Headshot to be precision hits which requireyou to aim.


If Rifleman are to lose their mobility then they should get a range benefit to compensate.






I would definitely agree with the highlighted part. Head shots should be more precise and not "on the fly" attacks. As far as mobility, the only time a Rifleman realistically is firing while movingis when he/she is using a suppression technique. Therefore Strafeshot, warning shot, etc. should be the only attacks we should use with any great effectiveness on the move. Given the speed of modern assault rifles, I can't see them nerfing our speed.




"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."
-William Shakespeare


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Rifleman+Doctor+Teras Kasi+Pilot+Aspiring CH


Waste93
Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:20 pm
#4






HornedSandRanger wrote:

Friends on test center....


Combat revamp.


Supposedly rifleman will only be able to use Mindshot while kneeling and aiming. you get 3 shots then u must aim again. Haven't heard if it affects HS3 but it's probably safe to assume it would. Thoughts? Comments? I personally am a little upset. I like rifleman the way it is with the exception it's not the greatest stand alone pvp combat prof. So why nerf MS and HS? Hmm... a little upsetting indeed.





The CU/R/B Sandbox isn't even up yet. Let alone having it go to TC. So I'll repeat an earlier quote.


' I have no doubts you will be seeing all kinds of rumor posts soon in regards to the Combat Upgrade. Please remember that these will be just that, rumors. Some may be accurate while others will be wildly inaccurate. This is Alpha testing. There will be a number of things that happen there that may not work and will change. So even an accurate rumor may no longer be accurate a couple days later. '





Colonel Waste - The Wookiee Crusader
DarthMarksman
Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:23 pm
#5






Waste93 wrote:


The CU/R/B Sandbox isn't even up yet. Let alone having it go to TC. So I'll repeat an earlier quote.


' I have no doubts you will be seeing all kinds of rumor posts soon in regards to the Combat Upgrade. Please remember that these will be just that, rumors. Some may be accurate while others will be wildly inaccurate. This is Alpha testing. There will be a number of things that happen there that may not work and will change. So even an accurate rumor may no longer be accurate a couple days later. '








There you haveit from the man himself.



"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."
-William Shakespeare


DarthMarksman
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lammergeier
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:22 pm
#6

and as a fulltime TC player, I concur with Waste. he keeps tabs on me to make sure nothing sneaky is in the works, and I can assure you that

1) there is NO combat upgrade/revamp/balance code on TC
2) there is nothing that specifically impacts rifle on TC, aside from some LOS code that the devs test from time to time
3) there are a LOT of CTD (crash to desktop) issues on TC that have to be sorted out before ANY of the code is pushed to Live

so... you're safe, you're misinformed, and TC is still chugging along.

if Waste says that the combat upgrade/revamp/balance is still in the theory stages, then he's not lying. rumors will fly, but let's shoot them down as quickly as we can.



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HornedSandRanger
Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:35 am
#7

Like I said... a vet friend had told me this.. he's been reliable in the past. I just wanted to hear the opinions from you guys. I didn't want to start rumors just wanted others thoughts. Sorry if I started anything I shouldn't have.




" I like respec Jedi they are like watching a kid with a new toy but then asking if it needs batteries." Iskareot
"Rangers are your friends..... keep it that way.....or they will be your worst nightmare."

Uudoo Graeth: Ace Pilot/Elder Jedi Uudoo's Story
Monastic Order of Krayt (RP).
Kromalla: Engineering Trader/Pilot
Resta Rantay: Smuggler/Pilot
Shaik Jerbooty (BRIA): Entertainer
Sefou (BRIA): Dark Jedi
Ackehece
Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:04 am
#8

currently it is best to disregard any rumors about the CU/R/B until at least closed beta starts as they are still working on what and how they will implement ideas. The Sandbox is not up yet so even if people think they know something they have no concrete evidence that this is true or will even stay the same.

btw if your friend was telling you about stuff in the CU/R/B then he was violating a NDA and could very well be kicked out of the CU/R/B and the game entirely and also face court in a lawsuit.... So it is best to tell him to shut up for now (at least until the NDA is lifted)



"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
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HornedSandRanger
Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:49 am
#9






Ackehece wrote:

currently it is best to disregard any rumors about the CU/R/B until at least closed beta starts as they are still working on what and how they will implement ideas. The Sandbox is not up yet so even if people think they know something they have no concrete evidence that this is true or will even stay the same.

btw if your friend was telling you about stuff in the CU/R/B then he was violating a NDA and could very well be kicked out of the CU/R/B and the game entirely and also face court in a lawsuit.... So it is best to tell him to shut up for now (at least until the NDA is lifted)






sorry doll... didn't mean to upset anyone... was just looking for mature comments (not saying anyone's was immature) and ideas. Say it did happen this way. Would you still be rifleman (or riflewoman)? What different tactics would you use when hunting? Would you use different tactics. I think it would be cool cuz it would force us to, dare i say it, rp a little more as our character. I mean how cool would it be to see someone laying down....patiently waiting.... and then BAM!!!! dead animal 60m away. The sniper would truly be born.... again I'm sorry if I opened pandora's box.




" I like respec Jedi they are like watching a kid with a new toy but then asking if it needs batteries." Iskareot
"Rangers are your friends..... keep it that way.....or they will be your worst nightmare."

Uudoo Graeth: Ace Pilot/Elder Jedi Uudoo's Story
Monastic Order of Krayt (RP).
Kromalla: Engineering Trader/Pilot
Resta Rantay: Smuggler/Pilot
Shaik Jerbooty (BRIA): Entertainer
Sefou (BRIA): Dark Jedi
DarthMarksman
Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:22 am
#10






HornedSandRanger wrote:





Ackehece wrote:

currently it is best to disregard any rumors about the CU/R/B until at least closed beta starts as they are still working on what and how they will implement ideas. The Sandbox is not up yet so even if people think they know something they have no concrete evidence that this is true or will even stay the same.

btw if your friend was telling you about stuff in the CU/R/B then he was violating a NDA and could very well be kicked out of the CU/R/B and the game entirely and also face court in a lawsuit.... So it is best to tell him to shut up for now (at least until the NDA is lifted)






sorry doll... didn't mean to upset anyone... was just looking for mature comments (not saying anyone's was immature) and ideas. Say it did happen this way. Would you still be rifleman (or riflewoman)? What different tactics would you use when hunting? Would you use different tactics. I think it would be cool cuz it would force us to, dare i say it, rp a little more as our character. I mean how cool would it be to see someone laying down....patiently waiting.... and then BAM!!!! dead animal 60m away. The sniper would truly be born.... again I'm sorry if I opened pandora's box.





I would still be a Rifleman, regardless. However, let's say, hypothetically, they implemented this. Using your scenario of a Rifleman laying in wait, patiently, ala Vasili Zaitsev or Carlos Hathcock. I would be glad to do this. . .but not at a maximum range of 64 meters. If they want us to truly be snipers then they would need to increase our maximum effective range.



"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."
-William Shakespeare


DarthMarksman
Rifleman+Doctor+Teras Kasi+Pilot+Aspiring CH


lammergeier
Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:30 am
#11



DarthMarksman wrote:


HornedSandRanger wrote:


Ackehece wrote:
currently it is best to disregard any rumors about the CU/R/B until at least closed beta starts as they are still working on what and how they will implement ideas. The Sandbox is not up yet so even if people think they know something they have no concrete evidence that this is true or will even stay the same.
btw if your friend was telling you about stuff in the CU/R/B then he was violating a NDA and could very well be kicked out of the CU/R/B and the game entirely and also face court in a lawsuit.... So it is best to tell him to shut up for now (at least until the NDA is lifted)



sorry doll... didn't mean to upset anyone... was just looking for mature comments (not saying anyone's was immature) and ideas. Say it did happen this way. Would you still be rifleman (or riflewoman)? What different tactics would you use when hunting? Would you use different tactics. I think it would be cool cuz it would force us to, dare i say it, rp a little more as our character. I mean how cool would it be to see someone laying down....patiently waiting.... and then BAM!!!! dead animal 60m away. The sniper would truly be born.... again I'm sorry if I opened pandora's box.


I would still be a Rifleman, regardless. However, let's say, hypothetically, they implemented this. Using your scenario of a Rifleman laying in wait, patiently, ala Vasili Zaitsev or Carlos Hathcock. I would be glad to do this. . .but not at a maximum range of 64 meters. If they want us to truly be snipers then they would need to increase our maximum effective range.




and one-shot kills are NOT going to make anyone happy, from a balance perspective.



---------------------"...race you to the cloner!"

xaq, Ossifrage: bloodfin-----------------------------------------Sechs: tempest
Lammergeier: bria------------------------------------------------Accipiter: ahazi

Jinks, Zaw ZeroEight, Raphael', Shub-Niggurath, Randolph Carter, Belpo
...the thorns of Test Center

-------------------------------lammergeier tracker
Fred_Skinner
Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:43 am
#12






HornedSandRanger wrote:

Friends on test center....


Combat revamp.


Supposedly rifleman will only be able to use Mindshot while kneeling and aiming. you get 3 shots then u must aim again. Haven't heard if it affects HS3 but it's probably safe to assume it would. Thoughts? Comments? I personally am a little upset. I like rifleman the way it is with the exception it's not the greatest stand alone pvp combat prof. So why nerf MS and HS? Hmm... a little upsetting indeed.




My current template does not have this ability. It requires you to have some of the marksman support line. Unless they change this you will gate folks like Rangers who do not have a lot of skill points to throw around.



Frederick Skinner
Antarian Ranger, Ranger(0030), Master Rifleman, CH(4214)
Ranger is not a profession. It's a lifestyle.


Ackehece
Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:05 pm
#13

I myself would not give it up.. been a riflewoman since launch - even during the hard times with the 2.5-3x melee damage mod. It would of course change my play style but as I never liked fight close up - not as much as some would.



"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
Rifleman Correspondent | Galactic Senator from Naboo
Ackehece - Eclipse | Tife - TestCenter




[--Riflewoman are all about sex drugs and rock and roll --]
Encoded as per Garva




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