Rifleman Archive
Thread: Cover sucks more or less as much as it used to now eh :/
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Xplycit
Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:10 am
#1
i know that bein able to run around invisible and kill people is a load of unballanced crap, but it seems cover has gone from one extreme to the next ...
PVP
Cover as it is, is pretty useless in PVP ... the fact that no one can see u take cover sucks because it means going out of the way (even of your group and friends) then crawling all the way back to the action ... combine that with the rule that no one can come within 15m of u while ure under cover andit makesgoing / staying under cover very hard ...
In addition to that, you can only do conceal shot ... i dont know ifits intended but atm you cant even use sniper shot under cover (yet u have to go prone) ... Ideally i would like to be able to do any shot while under cover, however doing so would have a chance of breaking cover (or something like that) whereas doing conceal/ snipershot, would either not or have less chance of breaking cover ... (atm even conceal has a chance of breaking cover)
PVE
Pretty much same story, except with crowds of creatures it sucks even more cuz theyre bound to walk near u and "uncover" you :/
im not crying or whining,just thinking out loud ... rifleman is spose to be a sniper-type profession but with things as they are, all we have is increased range and a (notice"a" not "some") more powerful move (snipershot) which sucks still cuz u gotta go prone to use it :/
what do u all think?
Sandzibarr
Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:25 am
#2
well in my mind that does kinda fit in with snipers... they dont run around chasing targets wearing ghilliesuits that make them magically invisible.. they have to be sneaky and put a bit of thought into where to hide/ambush from - though saying that they tend to be able to hit targets accurately from over 800m away.. something laughable in the SWG sense of things..
not really sure how this all fits in with SWG on the whole.. i guess you could setup cover somewhere near a well traveled area.. ie outside geo caves.. and try and pick off unsuspecting overt PC's... or get some BH and try and camp the jedi grinding areas..
could be good.. could be crap.. time will tell.
Xplycit
Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:28 am
#3
with conceal shot's speed and damage i cant see cover being good in PVP no matter where u camp tbh...
but some nice ideas ... my template is actually MBH / Mrifleman / Pistols 0-4-0-4 ... i planned to use cover while tracking jedi and shiz but without the use of knee-cap shot, stopping shot or underhand shot, jedi cud just walk out of range or within 15m of u lol ...
Sandzibarr
Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:42 am
#4
you should should have stopping shot at xxx1 pistols mate.
I know i do at MBH,MR,0044 pistols.
intimshot or disarmshot. hmm interesting..
plus if you go the disarm route i guess you get those nice general aim mods.. hmmm...
Xplycit
Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:46 am
#5
ya i had nothing else to spend SP on though so i thought i wud go for improved stopping shot and some more ranged / melee defence... (with MBH aswell i got somethin crazy like 295 ranged defence / 205 melee defence)
also x-4-x-x pistols is nice for disarming shot, whichi use a lot ... basically turns "-rooted-" into a standing KD 
(makes it so they cant fire at u either) and i believe burst shot is in that tree too which i find is real nice when ure in a spamming war, can make the other guy run out of action nice and ... well a little quicker
(makes it so they cant fire at u either) and i believe burst shot is in that tree too which i find is real nice when ure in a spamming war, can make the other guy run out of action nice and ... well a little quicker Message Edited by Xplycit on 04-19-2005 06:47 PM
Sandzibarr
Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:49 am
#6
maybe a temp rethink is in order 
didnt realise stun reduced action regen now... intim is nice for reducing the damage done to you.. but if your spamming disarm so they cant attack anyway i guess its a moot point
Xplycit
Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:50 am
#7
not sure if its stun in general or just that particular move m8 ... either way its nice to have
Xplycit
Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:00 pm
#8
hopefully they boost headshot, nerf legshot, and possibly make snipershot a standing move (and deal more dmg than improved critical)
edit: oh a ranged DB wud be nice too
Message Edited by Xplycit on 04-19-2005 10:01 PM
Rakos_Rokarr
Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:43 am
#9
yup..cover blows big time at the moment...yet were supposed to be happy that we have it..even tho we cant even use it 90% of the time(ppl or things around us) and also bolts can be tracked back to you...and also no damage almost with conceal shot..couple that with carabineers doing as much dmg as rifles now and ur all set to switch professions..
i hope rifleman is worth it, if not ill gladly change to something better even tho i love rifles
sharde64
Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:12 am
#10
ok what you do is find soem nice tuft of grass near a imp/reb citsy shuttle, go prone and cover and wait for some overt person to run by and pow pow and prolly even better if more than one person is hiding there. thats what i think of it anyway
Rakos_Rokarr
Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:33 am
#11
sharde64 wrote:
ok what you do is find soem nice tuft of grass near a imp/reb citsy shuttle, go prone and cover and wait for some overt person to run by and pow pow and prolly even better if more than one person is hiding there. thats what i think of it anyway
yea but in big 20 man+ groups...how do u do that when u shuttle in to the enemy city? and even if u dont shuttle in ...the crawl towards the city will be unbearable..UNLESS they bring that crawl skill back and put it in the rifleman tree so we can crawl like 50% faster or something but not as fast as walking.
Azzoi
Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:42 am
#12
yea but in big 20 man+ groups...how do u do that when u shuttle in to the enemy city? and even if u dont shuttle in ...the crawl towards the city will be unbearable..UNLESS they bring that crawl skill back and put it in the rifleman tree so we can crawl like 50% faster or something but not as fast as walking.
It's called tactics, you have to have players draw them to you or try to find a place in the a city were you can snipe from. It's all about tactics, it just going to take time to learn them.
Rakos_Rokarr
Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:48 am
#13
Azzoi wrote:
yea but in big 20 man+ groups...how do u do that when u shuttle in to the enemy city? and even if u dont shuttle in ...the crawl towards the city will be unbearable..UNLESS they bring that crawl skill back and put it in the rifleman tree so we can crawl like 50% faster or something but not as fast as walking.
It's called tactics, you have to have players draw them to you or try to find a place in the a city were you can snipe from. It's all about tactics, it just going to take time to learn them.
crawling for 30 minutes to shoot someone for 30 seconds isnt tactics...
when ur coming red hot into an enemy city aint no way u can go into cover and swooping in wont help if u are 10k away form the city with nothing else nearby to shuttle to
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