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Thread: Best T21 damage pr sec. Slice/powerup advice needed guys
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Berdelsan
Wed May 05, 2004 11:23 pm
#1
Hello Riflemen
I have a few questions i hope you can help me with.
Lets say i havesome T21's 132-357, speed 7.3 that are going to the slicer.
How would a master rifleman(sadly with no speedtapes) do the most damage in the shortest period of time with this?
I was thinking that a good damage slice with a 33% speed/min dmg/-mind cost would be the best pick but im not sure if it will shoot fast enough with this(hit the speed cap). Another option would be a Speed sliced T21 with speed power up and now im not sure if thats speed overkill cause im not really sure when the speed will cap.
Can any of you rifle pro's help me out?
Thx in advance
Berdelsan
Thu May 06, 2004 1:47 am
#3
Kund wrote:
As a Master Rifleman I believe that anything under 8.3 seconds speed and you hit more or less the speedcap.
With specials such as strafeShot2?
Why do peoplespend millions on skill tapes then?
Message Edited by Berdelsan on 05-06-2004 10:47 AM
Szero
Thu May 06, 2004 2:14 am
#4
i have a great site for anyone wanting to know damage per second... here it is...havent done links before on the forums s please forgive me if i mes it up
http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php
Galjoss
Thu May 06, 2004 3:55 am
#5
Wow szero, thats really handy, It would be really cool if you could also make it work out the ham costs for the different attacks as well, then I could work out the most efficent way to kill anything.
thanks for sharing that, nice work
Berdelsan
Thu May 06, 2004 4:11 am
#6
Awsome Szero. That solved my problem. Master rifle has 90 speed mod right?
Ill share the result with you:
T21 25% speed slice, 33% speed powerup/15% min dmg=151-357 dmg, 3.7 speed= 980 dps
T21 25% speed slice, 33%damage powerup/15% min dmg=151-475 dmg, 5,4 speed=828 dps
T21 25%damage slice, 33% speed powerup/15% min dmg=190-446 dmg, 4.9 speed =927 dps
T21 25%damage slice, 33% damage powerup/15% min dmg=190-594 dmg, 7.3 speed = 767 dps
Message Edited by Berdelsan on 05-06-2004 01:15 PM
Szero
Thu May 06, 2004 4:41 am
#7
yes master rifleman gets +90 speed...and those stats are correct. however...as soon as you get +97 rifle speed...ALL of your spceials fire at the 1 second speed cap...so if you dont mind paying the 1-2 mil for the +7 rifle speed attachments...you can get a 35% damage sliced t21 and fire it just as fast as your speed sliced/speed p'up t21....and will result in more damage with the damage slice, thus being much more efficient. just wanted to throw that out to anyone that might want to know that can afford/find the attachments
Berdelsan
Thu May 06, 2004 4:51 am
#8
I can now understand why they are so good.
Master marksman/+2 speed tape would also be a good solution
Sotaudi
Thu May 06, 2004 10:47 am
#9
Berdelsan wrote:
Kund wrote:
As a Master Rifleman I believe that anything under 8.3 seconds speed and you hit more or less the speedcap.
With specials such as strafeShot2?
Why do peoplespend millions on skill tapes then?
Message Edited by Berdelsan on 05-06-2004 10:47 AM
This is not correct.
With an 8.3 speed rifle and an unenhanced Master Rifleman at 90, you will fire Strafeshot2 at 2.9 seconds. To fire Strafeshot2 at the speed cap with an 8.3 speed rifle, you needa personal speed mod of 96.6, so 97.
That is, for Master Rifleman only, you would need +7 in speed tapes to cap with that rifle. For Master Rifleman + Master Marksman, you need +2 in speed tapes.
Actually, with an 8.3 rifle, the only thing you can fire at the speed cap is autofire. The specials will range from 1.2 for Headshot1, 1.7 for Headshot3, 2.6 for Flushingshot2, and 2.9 for Strafeshot2.
Message Edited by Sotaudi on 05-06-2004 10:53 AM
Kund
Thu May 06, 2004 12:37 pm
#10
As a Master Rifleman I believe that anything under 8.3 seconds speed and you hit more or less the speedcap.
I have the same situation and always keep the damage slices and sell the speed slices.
Drop a nice 30% damage power up on and you will have a weapon that will do around 600 damage in total depending upon the slice - as a MRM that is a nice weapon although you will find that a) You will be changing PUPs every 2-3 minutes and b) The quality of the weapon will deteriorate quickly.
The highest base damage I have seen on Farstar is around 400 and clearly if you do your maths with 30% damage slice and 30% power up you will have a weapon that delivers around 675 - 700 damage so it is worth looking out for these - Try LK-Tech, Palm Beach, Naboo for the T21 with 400 or so base damage - speed I believe is around 7.8s so speed will not be an issue.
Regards
Kundalini
Sotaudi
Fri May 07, 2004 12:20 am
#11
Berdelsan wrote:
Hello Riflemen
I have a few questions i hope you can help me with.
Lets say i havesome T21's 132-357, speed 7.3 that are going to the slicer.
How would a master rifleman(sadly with no speedtapes) do the most damage in the shortest period of time with this?
I was thinking that a good damage slice with a 33% speed/min dmg/-mind cost would be the best pick but im not sure if it will shoot fast enough with this(hit the speed cap). Another option would be a Speed sliced T21 with speed power up and now im not sure if thats speed overkill cause im not really sure when the speed will cap.
Can any of you rifle pro's help me out?
Thx in advance
Until you reach the speed cap, a speed slice will produce exactly the same DPS change as a damage slice of the same percent increase. Here is why:
Let us say you have two identical rifles and get the best slice possible(35%) on both, only one is a speed slice and one is a damage slice. Taking your rifle above (and ignoring armor and resists):
Avg Dmg Avg Spd Avg DPS
Min Max Avg Spd Strafe2 Strafe2 Strafe2
As Is 132 357 245 7.3 1223 2.6 478
35% Damage Slice 178 482 330 7.3 1650 2.6 646
35% Speed Slice 132 357 245 5.4 1223 1.9 646
Min Max Avg Spd Strafe2 Strafe2 Strafe2
As Is 132 357 245 7.3 1223 2.6 478
35% Damage Slice 178 482 330 7.3 1650 2.6 646
35% Speed Slice 132 357 245 5.4 1223 1.9 646
The thing to note is that the average damage per second (DPS) is the same for either a damage slice or a speed slice. This is because the damage slice raises the average damage but continues firing at the same rate whereas the speed slice fires the average damage of the weapon faster. The end result is that the DPS is increased by the same amount no matter which slice is done (provided you hit for the same % for either).
Once specials start dropping below the cap, DPS stops rising when you add more speed. So if you are at or near the speed cap, damage slices become the preferred slice. With this example, the only shot a Master would use that drops below the cap with the speed sliced weapon is Headshot2, so either slice is acceptible.
Powerups are a different matter. A 33% speed powerup will, as above, raise the DPS of the weapon by 33%. However, you cannot apply a powerup that raises both minimum damage and maximum damage by the same amount. The best you can do is add a 33% maximum/16% minimum (rounded) powerup. Because the minimum damage is lower, this combination will only raise the average damage by 30%. Thus, it will only raise the average DPS by 30%. So unless the speed powerup pushes you over the cap, the speed powerup will always produce a higer DPS than a damage powerup.
For the above weapon, a 35% speed slice with a 33% speed powerup will still leave Strafeshot2 (1.4 seconds), Flushingshot2 and Startleshot2 (both at 1.2 seconds), and Concealshot and Surpriseshot (both at 1.1 seconds) over the cap. So you would probably still be better off with this combination than with some other combination. Once you get your personal speed mod up or deal with a naturally faster weapon (E11, Jawa, etc.), you have to take those factors into consideration, but for this weapon at Master only speed, this is your best option.
ReenaAiuchi
Fri May 07, 2004 12:49 am
#12
hehe;
I'll let you in on a secret...
Strafe2 with a 7.6 speed gun with 90 Rifle speed fires at 3.0
Strafe2 with a 7.6 speed gun with 95 Rifle speed fires at 2.0
Strafe2 with a 7.6 speed gun with 9X Rifle speed fires at 1.0...
I put 9X because I'm going to make you figure that out...
90 is master rifle
95 is master rifle and master marks...
Now... people who use speed sliced waste damage potential... I have max speed, use a 35% dmg sliced rifle, 33% powerup and hit for 760 dmg rifle, so around 3-7k dmg strafe2 a second...
More wound on your rifle also makes your strafe2 hit higher...
So if your saving your mind with those 30% wound, no stock models... I'm going to do more damage than you with my 40% wound 100 Ham model... understand?
Use a DXR6 with 70% wound... 35% dmg slice with powerup, I've hit a 11k strafe2 before... its a 690 damage DXR6 acid rifle...
So basically? If you want damage, you go with higher wound, lower speeed, higher damage and take it for everything you got...
I would go mastermarks/masterrifle and make the target pay badly, but that's me...
What do I know about rifles... I've only been one since launch...
raz1337
Fri May 07, 2004 5:22 am
#13
ReenaAiuchi wrote:
Use a DXR6 with 70% wound... 35% dmg slice with powerup, I've hit a 11k strafe2 before... its a 690 damage DXR6 acid rifle..
exaggeration is fun
Even against an unarmored target with no acid resists, and with the natural 1.5x damage multiplier, using strafe 2, the highest you can reach is 8073, I've hit higher on stormtroopers with my krayt laser in the combat spam
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