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Thread: You wanted knockdown logs? Well here you go

SilverLobo
Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:22 am
#1

This is a pure cut a paste, so there is some other things we tested but you will see that knockdown defense works, ranged defense works. I have +50 to defense vs knockdown and +49 to ranged D.


For the people that dont want to read through this I will spell out the particulars:


Missed shots: 8


Knock Down resisted: 18


Knockdown landed: 14


Going by these numbers Ikenn would have roughly 33% chance of landing a knock down each round.


Conclussion: If you dont spec for defense then you cant whine about being knockdown. The skill works, it is your choice to spec for it or not.


[Combat] 22:31:14 Chat logging ON
[Combat] 22:31:14 Current chat log file size: 21 KB
[Combat] 22:31:15 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:31:17 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:31:19 That target is out of range.
[Main channel] 22:31:20 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:31:20 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:31:28 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:32:00 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:32:01 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:32:02 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:32:04 That target is out of range.
[Main channel] 22:32:05 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:32:05 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:32:05 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:32:19 Ikenn lays prone.
[Main channel] 22:32:22 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:32:22 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:32:23 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 82 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:32:24 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:32:28 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 130 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:32:28 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:32:28 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:32:30 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:32:36 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:32:38 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:32:41 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 97 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:32:42 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 22:32:46 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:32:46 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:32:46 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 110 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:32:50 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 195 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:32:51 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:32:51 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:32:53 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:34:42 You use Sleeping Krayt on Ikenn for 80 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:34:44 You swing at Ikenn and hit for 66 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:34:45 You swing at Ikenn and hit for 84 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:34:46 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:34:46 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:35:09 Ikenn stands up.
[Main channel] 22:35:18 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:35:18 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:36:33 Ikenn stands up.
[Combat] 22:36:35 Ikenn stands up.
[Main channel] 22:36:46 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:36:46 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:36:46 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:36:56 Ikenn uses Pistol Smash on you for 104 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:36:56 You swing at Ikenn and hit for 70 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:36:57 Ikenn uses Pistol Smash on you for 156 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:36:57 You swing at Ikenn and hit for 49 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:36:58 Ikenn uses Pistol Smash on you for 78 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:36:58 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:36:58 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:36:59 Ikenn uses Pistol Smash on you for 45 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:36:59 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:36:59 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:00 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:00 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:00 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:00 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:00 Ikenn uses Pistol Smash on you for 74 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:37:00 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:00 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:01 Ikenn uses Pistol Smash on you for 77 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:01 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:02 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:02 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:02 Ikenn shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 22:37:02 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:04 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:04 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:04 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:05 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:05 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:05 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:06 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:06 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:06 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:06 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:06 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:13 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:37:13 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:37:16 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:37:16 You sit down.
[Main channel] 22:38:22 You heal yourself for 64 health and 64 action damage.
[Combat] 22:38:22 You heal yourself for 64 health and 64 action damage.
[Main channel] 22:38:33 You heal yourself for 97 health and 97 action damage.
[Combat] 22:38:33 You heal yourself for 97 health and 97 action damage.
[Main channel] 22:38:37 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:38:37 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:38:37 You stand up.
[Main channel] 22:38:52 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:38:52 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:38:52 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 113 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:38:53 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 141 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:38:54 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:38:54 You stand up.
[Main channel] 22:38:54 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:38:54 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:38:55 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 132 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:38:55 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 55 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:38:56 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 63 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:38:56 Your Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 9 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:38:57 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:38:57 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:38:57 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 127 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:38:57 Your Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 17 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:38:58 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:38:58 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:38:58 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:38:58 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:38:58 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 170 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:38:59 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:38:59 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:39:00 Ikenn's Pistol Whip misses you.
[Combat] 22:39:00 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 192 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:39:01 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:39:01 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:39:01 Ikenn uses Pistol Whip on you for 116 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:39:01 Your Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 16 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:39:02 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:39:02 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:39:03 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 49 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:39:03 Your Ubese Armor Jacket armor prevented 8 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:39:03 Ikenn shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 22:39:04 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:39:38 You stand up.
[Main channel] 22:41:46 You heal yourself for 54 health and 54 action damage.
[Combat] 22:41:46 You heal yourself for 54 health and 54 action damage.
[Main channel] 22:41:51 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:41:51 You sit down.
[Main channel] 22:42:00 You heal yourself for 108 health and 108 action damage.
[Combat] 22:42:00 You heal yourself for 108 health and 108 action damage.
[Main channel] 22:42:10 You heal yourself for 61 health and 27 action damage.
[Combat] 22:42:10 You heal yourself for 61 health and 27 action damage.
[Main channel] 22:42:25 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:42:25 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:42:25 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:42:32 Ikenn stands up.
[Combat] 22:42:35 Ikenn stands up.
[Combat] 22:42:40 Ikenn kneels.
[Combat] 22:42:43 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:42:44 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:42:46 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:42:48 That target is out of range.
[Main channel] 22:42:48 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:42:48 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:42:48 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 119 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:42:53 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:42:53 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:42:53 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 106 points of damage!

SilverLobo
Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:23 am
#2

[Main channel] 22:42:53 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:42:53 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:42:53 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:42:57 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:42:59 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 71 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:43:03 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:43:03 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:43:03 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 110 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:43:06 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 22:43:07 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:07 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:07 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:11 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 109 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:43:16 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:43:18 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 22:43:20 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:43:20 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 22:43:20 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 78 points of damage!
[Main channel] 22:43:23 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:23 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:23 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:25 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 41 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:43:25 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:43:30 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:43:33 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 46 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:43:35 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:43:38 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:43:40 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:43:43 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:43:45 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:43:49 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 42 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:43:50 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:50 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:50 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:43:50 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:43:50 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:43:52 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:43:54 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:43:54 Ikenn stands up.
[Combat] 22:43:56 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:43:58 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:44:00 That target is out of range.
[Main channel] 22:44:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:44:01 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:44:01 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 22:44:03 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:44:03 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:49:13 Ikenn stands up.
[Main channel] 22:49:14 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:49:14 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:49:14 You stand up.
[Combat] 22:49:37 Ikenn's Expert Head Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:49:38 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:49:40 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:49:42 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 22:49:43 Ikenn lays prone.
[Combat] 22:49:44 That target is out of range.
[Main channel] 22:49:44 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:49:44 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:49:47 Ikenn's Expert Head Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:49:57 Ikenn's Expert Head Shot misses you.
[Combat] 22:50:03 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:50:04 Ikenn stands up.
[Combat] 22:50:36 Ikenn uses Expert Head Shot on you for 62 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:50:46 Ikenn uses Expert Head Shot on you for 63 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:51:06 Ikenn uses Expert Head Shot on you for 61 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:51:15 Ikenn uses Expert Head Shot on you for 56 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:51:40 You use Advanced Strafe on Ikenn for 470 points of damage!
[Combat] 22:51:44 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 140 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:51:45 You shoot at Ikenn but miss.
[Combat] 22:51:46 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 132 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:51:46 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:51:46 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:08 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 52 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:08 Your Chitin Armor Leggings armor prevented 6 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:08 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 153 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:09 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 46 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:09 Your Ubese Armor Jacket armor prevented 7 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:09 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 128 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:10 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 62 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:10 Your Chitin Armor Helmet armor prevented 9 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:10 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:11 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 65 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:11 Your Chitin Armor Helmet armor prevented 9 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:52:11 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:11 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:12 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 64 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:12 Your Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 9 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:52:13 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 49 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:14 Ikenn shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 22:52:15 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 43 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:16 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 63 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:16 Your Chitin Armor Leggings armor prevented 7 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:17 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 65 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:52:17 Your Chitin Armor Leggings armor prevented 7 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:10 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 115 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:11 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 129 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:12 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 44 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:53:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:12 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:19 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 68 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:20 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 53 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:21 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 55 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:22 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 44 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:23 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 48 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:23 Your Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 7 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:24 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 46 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:24 Your Ubese Armor Jacket armor prevented 7 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:24 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:40 Ikenn swings at you and hits for 43 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:40 Your Ubese Armor Jacket armor prevented 24 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:40 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 43 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:41 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 119 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:42 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 44 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:43 You shoot at Ikenn and hit for 90 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:43 Ikenn swings at you and misses.
[Combat] 22:53:44 You swing at Ikenn and hit for 56 points of damage.
[Combat] 22:53:45 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:45 You swing at Ikenn and hit for 48 points of damage.
[Main channel] 22:53:45 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:45 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Main channel] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:47 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 22:53:47 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 22:54:13 You sit down.
[Combat] 22:54:13 You sit down.
[Main channel] 23:03:47 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:03:47 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:03:47 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:05:49 Ikenn stands up.
[Main channel] 23:05:53 Ikenn challenges you to a duel.
[Combat] 23:05:53 Ikenn challenges you to a duel.
[Main channel] 23:05:59 You accept Ikenn's challenge.
[Combat] 23:05:59 You accept Ikenn's challenge.
[Combat] 23:06:32 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 43 points of damage!
[Combat] 23:06:33 That target is out of range.
[Main channel] 23:06:34 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 23:06:34 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 23:06:40 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 112 points of damage!
[Main channel] 23:06:45 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:06:45 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:06:45 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 108 points of damage!
[Main channel] 23:06:48 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:06:48 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:06:48 You stand up.
[Main channel] 23:06:54 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:06:54 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:06:54 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 74 points of damage!
[Main channel] 23:06:57 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:06:57 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:06:57 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:02 Ikenn's Underhand Shot misses you.
[Combat] 23:07:07 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 91 points of damage!
[Combat] 23:07:11 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 110 points of damage!
[Combat] 23:07:15 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:15 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:16 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 46 points of damage!
[Main channel] 23:07:21 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:07:21 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:07:21 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 131 points of damage!
[Main channel] 23:07:24 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:24 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:24 You stand up.
[Main channel] 23:07:29 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:07:29 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 23:07:29 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 44 points of damage!
[Main channel] 23:07:33 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:33 You stand up.
[Combat] 23:07:33 You stand up.
[Main channel] 23:07:51 You heal yourself for 95 health and 9 action damage.
[Combat] 23:07:51 You heal yourself for 95 health and 9 action damage.
[Combat] 23:07:51 You stand up.
[Main channel] 23:07:56 You cannot do that for another 4 seconds.
[Combat] 23:07:56 You cannot do that for another 4 seconds.
[Main channel] 23:07:56 You cannot do that for another 4 seconds.
[Combat] 23:07:56 You cannot do that for another 4 seconds.
[Combat] 23:08:08 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 43 points of damage!
[Combat] 23:08:10 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 23:08:13 Ikenn uses Underhand Shot on you for 43 points of damage!
[Combat] 23:08:15 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Combat] 23:08:18 Ikenn shoots at you and hits for 41 points of damage.
[Combat] 23:08:20 Ikenn stops fighting.
[Main channel] 23:08:25 You stop fighting.
[Combat] 23:08:25 You stop fighting.
SilverLobo
Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:16 am
#3

bump
ViaSWG
Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:32 am
#4

So to have a chance in PVP you have to spec a skill.. ?


Sounds like some other game I know... called asheron's call.

BaronJedi
Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:34 am
#5

Sorry, I don't think you should have to spec just to resist one skill. No one has to go out of their way to "spec" for headshot3. I mean it is one **edit** ability.




Draxx Py're | Master Rifleman | Master Squad Leader

)D(ark )F(orce )R(ising
SilverLobo
Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:39 am
#6

Well isnt that a concept. Should we alow crafters the ability to do damage with their general crafting tool? I mean why should they have to learn a combat skill?


The belief that you shouldnt have to learn the skills because you dont want to and do as well in combat as someone who does spec, is wrong plain and simple.

BaronJedi
Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:42 am
#7

No its not wrong. We as RIFLEMEN are singled out as the only combat profession (not including commando) that has no knockdown. And since we have no knockdown we have no counter for knockdown. Carbineers, Pistoleers, and BHs have a counter for knockdown. And that skill is....knockdown. I SHOULDN'T have to take other skills outside of Rifleman to survive against ONE SKILL. Because god knows Pistoleers already have what they need to be effective in PvP. We are a combat class and therefore want to be effective in COMBAT. So how does the crafter analogy even make sense?




Draxx Py're | Master Rifleman | Master Squad Leader

)D(ark )F(orce )R(ising
Pecos
Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:44 am
#8

Are you aware that you're posting this in the Rifleman forum?


Are you aware of how much knockdown resist is in the Rifleman tree?


The devs have specifically said that they do NOT want cookie-cutter templates as a result of certain skills being overpowered, and that's what you're telling me we have to do.


I should be able to be a Master Rifleman/Doctor (+0 defense vs knockdown)and not have to follow your exact same template just for a chance of maybe killing someone once in a while in PvP.


That is all.


MrTokai
Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:19 pm
#9

"No its not wrong. We as RIFLEMEN are singled out as the only combat profession (not including commando) that has no knockdown. " -BaronJedi-


ehm... swordsman (my other highup profession)


and to some extent, combat medic =).. but yeah. knockdown is lame

Zarl0k
Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:53 pm
#10

Silverliabo is a BSer or gets a lucky strak. I have more than his ranged defense and 10 points lower KD resist(or i had) and I resideted 18% of knockdown attacks, while my partner resisted 24% with half my resist to knockdowns and 1/3 my ranged defense. Whatever. you have been a content rifleman itching to "nerf rifleman" it seems. I have no idea what game you play but its surely not SWG.
SilverLobo
Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:11 pm
#11

Lets see if I can address most of the whines.


As for having a "cookie cutter" template. How can you even make a statement like that when you dont even know what my template is? If anything the template I will be using will be unique, unlike your very cookie cutter template of Rifleman/Doctor. Should I get healing, and buffs for free because I didnt spec doctor? See you fail to understand the basic idea behind this game. You cant be good at everything, there is a give and take. What you want SOE to do is give you a free ride, and I am saying no they shouldnt. If you dont spec for something you shouldnt just get it for free.


Also the mainstay arguement by the rifleman community is we shouldnt have to spec anything else. That rifleman doesnt have KD blah blah blah. If you think for a minute that by spending less then 100 spec points alows you any chance against a template that spends all 250 on combat skills you are kidding yourself. But please keep on crying and not taking this opertunity to do something about KD.


The question was asked what my template is: The quick answer is, I will not give out my template. I dont want to see everyone and their mother using the hard work I have done and continue to do to finish my end template. But I will give you some tips:


Pistoleer +20: TKA +30: Carbineer +30: Fencer +40: Pikeman +20


Zarlok prove it. If you think for a minute I doctored up or setup the log in anyway to make defense vs KD look better you are a idiot. Do you think I spec. that way, spent all this time so I could come here and say it works? If I didnt believe it worked, and my logs PROVE that it does, I would be the first one here screaming my arse off that SOE needs to fix the skills. Think I want a template with one of its main features broke?? Zarlok do yourself a favor and use the brain god gave you for once in your life.


In ending you cant deny what the logs show, I was expecting closer to a 35-40% miss/resist rate, was very surprised and happy to see that it was almost 70%. It also proved that most people would rather whine about something then do something about it, just look at the posts. YOU have the ability to limit KD, and what do you do? You cry that you shouldnt have to. That for some reason SOE should change the game just for you. Instead of working with what the game has to offer you want it handed to you. The great thing is I am called a lier, a idiot all because I decided not to whine about KD but instead find a way to stop it with in the paramiters of the game as is. Imagine that.

Deyvon
Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:36 pm
#12

quote:


No its not wrong. We as RIFLEMEN are singled out as the only combat profession (not including commando) that has no knockdown.


Wrong.


Fencers, 2h Swordsman




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tacobizell
Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:36 pm
#13

Lobo, posting this ideaover and over doesn't make it any less stupid.


Being forced to spec in random trees just to gainresistance to a particular, godly attack is not ever going to go over well with players. Just because you personally are a tooland are willing to bend over and take it- totally redesigning your character in the process -doesn't mean everyone else is.


When BHs need tospec in random treesto get aspecial "shock resistance" skill to avoid being frozen in place for 10 seconds each time Iheadshot them, then we'll talk.




- Hatch
Outer Rim Alliance
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