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Thread: vs Krayt Dragons, SG82 or T-21?
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Strel
Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:36 pm
#1
The SG-82 has no armor piercing, the one I have with a power up is.
174-320
The T-21 has Heavy Armor Piercing, with a power up its:
204-647
Now, which would you rather use on a krayt dragon, which typically has lower cold resitance. The SG-82 does cold but has no AP, the T21 does energy but has heavy AP. Thank you in advance. 
JLG88
Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:34 pm
#2
Strel wrote:
The SG-82 has no armor piercing, the one I have with a power up is.
174-320 (against krayt 22-40 dmg weapon
The T-21 has Heavy Armor Piercing, with a power up its:
204-647 (against krayt 204-647 dmg weapon
Now, which would you rather use on a krayt dragon, which typically has lower cold resitance. The SG-82 does cold but has no AP, the T21 does energy but has heavy AP. Thank you in advance.
Night4554
Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:05 am
#3
For questions like this, it's best to crunch hard numbers:
Damage Meter
I think you'll find the T-21 better though.
Damage Meter
I think you'll find the T-21 better though.
Barb-Wire
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:24 am
#4
Strel wrote:
The SG-82 has no armor piercing, the one I have with a power up is.
174-320
The T-21 has Heavy Armor Piercing, with a power up its:
204-647
Now, which would you rather use on a krayt dragon, which typically has lower cold resitance. The SG-82 does cold but has no AP, the T21 does energy but has heavy AP. Thank you in advance.
using a sg rifle your only doing 34% damage for a 66% reduction. with a shot that hits for 320 it will only do about 108 total.
if the T21 hits for the minimum of 204 the krayt will take about 81 damage. so the only way a sg will outdamage a krayt is if every shot the T21 takes it hits for the base minimum damage and the SG hits for max damage. every shot. the T21 is doing 40% of its damage.
hands down T21 wins. the only way the SG would every outdamage a T21 is if the creature is vuln to cold and has heavy AP along with massive energy resists. but there arent any creatures that are vulnerable to cold and have heavy armour. and unfortunately there are no creatures that are immune to energy but not cold. the only creature that is currently immune to energy is the stoneskin hanadak but it is also immune to cold.
basically in PVE there is point to even owning a SG rifle. well if you like walking around with a shower head on a slide from a trombone for a weapon more power to you. but there is no use for a SG in PVE.
blahblahdedah
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:36 am
#5
I've definately had much more luck with the T21 than the laser if thats all we're comparing. The acc. of the DXR-6B is definatley worth the money you'll pay for one though, however. Its good to keep em both around depending on the situation that you are in.
Kinnison75
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:50 am
#6
you also need to think about DPS. The T-21 is more of a sniper one shot weapon becasue of its high damage and low rate of fire. While I think the SG82 typically has a RoF around 3-4, almsot half of the T-21
Bermag
Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:44 am
#8
T-21 no doubt about it. SG-92 will only do 0.125 of it's normal damage because of AR3 vs AP0 (Heavy armor vs no armor piercing) penalty.
Tasolth
Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:37 pm
#9
Definatly the T-21. even though it is less resistant to cold.. you have heavy armor to worry about, get that out of the way and you only haev a 60% resists monster with 350k ham. instead of a 350k HP monster with heavy armor, and 60% resist on top of it all.
Martinb4
Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:32 pm
#11
How's this? I thought AP0 vs AR3 was (.5)(.5)(.5), resulting in 12.5% damage for a 87.5% reduction. a 320 shot will hit for like 36 or so.
Barb-Wire wrote:
using a sg rifle your only doing 34% damage for a 66% reduction. with a shot that hits for 320 it will only do about 108 total.
Barb-Wire
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:04 am
#12
Martinb4 wrote:
How's this? I thought AP0 vs AR3 was (.5)(.5)(.5), resulting in 12.5% damage for a 87.5% reduction. a 320 shot will hit for like 36 or so.
Barb-Wire wrote:
using a sg rifle your only doing 34% damage for a 66% reduction. with a shot that hits for 320 it will only do about 108 total.
maybe it is i was using .25
either way the result is the same the SG82 has no purpose in the game.
Martinb4
Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:35 am
#13
Barb-Wire wrote:
the SG82 has no purpose in the game.
lol. So right you are. 
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