Ranger Archive
Thread: Concealment Doesn't Work in PvP?
It's more than useless.
First, it doesn't work against NPC opponents at all. Only creatures.
Second, the ability, Conceal, was part of the first skill box in the Concealment skill tree. You'll notice that the Conceal ability is gone from the skill box, and is no where to be found in the skill tree. This mistake/bug was noticed with about 2 weeks of beta left. Yes, its been bugged many times, but apparently isn't a high priority.
The conceal ability is about the only worthwhile skill of the Ranger profession, so until that is added back in, I don't see any point in persuing a Ranger myself.
VeganDago wrote:
Ranger is NOT a PVP class... don't whine about it... because it isn't supposed to be. if you want to be a roleplayer or just like to hunt it is great but don't expect magic on the battlefield.
You sir, need some basic reading comprehension.
I barely even mentioned PvP in my post. The only thing I said about it in relation to PvP is that it works only against creatures and was useless in PvP - that was a direct answer to the original poster's question and I can't even begin to comprehend how you see that as a "whine". I made no mention of an opinion of whether or not I thought it should be included in PvP, yet you jump to the far-fetched conclusion that I did, and label me as a "whiner".
The rest of my post referred to a known bug with Conceal - you can't use it against creatures yet, because the skill was removed from the skill tree.
Before having a knee-jerk response to someone pointing out the flaws in a skill and calling them a "whiner", I highly suggest you stick to a more adult response in case you have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Like now.
*Laugh*
Post 1 was a Question.
Post 2 was a Statement of how "broken" the skill is.
Post 3 was a Flame
Post 4 was a responce to the Flame
Post 5 was an Explanation of the Flame
Post 6 was a Counter Flame to the First Flame
(post 7 was an amusing Analysis of the order of Events)
Conclusion is :
Nilanna asked a Question.
Mordib Answered the Question
VeganDago didn't realy read the Thread
Just let it Go =D
Heh, i thot it was Funny...Its ok if you don't tho, I'm not mad at you for itSB =D
Anyhow, Now with 2 Posts in this Topic i Feel i Should Contribute to it Seriously :
I Feel Concealment should Have some Effect in PVP. If All it does is take your Dot off the radar and make younot "Tab" targetable able that would be Enough. Clearly the Ranger Is not Designed to Be a PvP oriented class, However that is not to Say they Shouldn't gain the Slightest defence in PvP. That would Be like saying the Bountyhunter CAN ONLY use his bounty hunting Abilities on "marks", Not in PvP or in PvE unless his target is a mark. Non the Less if a Ranger can onceal himself from the Creatures of the wild, he should easily be able to avoid being tracked by other Players, Non-Rangers Especialy.
The Ranger Class Just needs to Be finished up IMO, Currently there is no Other realistic reason to Be a ranger other then to get the Tittle and don't say better Camps or Harvesting, because it just isn'ttrue...yet, But it should be. There is no Real reason to use any advanced Camp over the novice scout one Other then to get a Slightly higher EXP cap when in a large group.A Master Scout Harvests beter then a Novice Ranger(as far as i Know, Was this way at the End of Beta and there was no Patch note about it), Just to name a few Examples ...Rangers just need Some love =D
That is Exactly my point, But it was Clearly noted may times in beta that master scouts will harvest BETTER then a novice ranger. Now this may be Mute because then could have fixed it and just not made a patch note about it, but that is the way it was and as far as anyone know still is. I'm still a few blocks off from ranger (and Bountyhunter incidently)so it will be a little while before i can verify it myself.
Your Question is the Perfect argument for it to work the way it Should (heh), so i can only assume the Rangers harvesting less then Scouts was unintended, and down somwhere on the "Fix it" list....I Was simply pointing out the gaps in the Prof' to convey my opinion that it isn't finished yet....however i still have every intention to master it untill i start finding better uses for my points if nothing is done for it =D
Again Conceal Shouldhave an effect in PvP! =D
I appreciate this information, for I was thinking of rolling a ranger because of the ability to remain hidden while attacking his enemies. I bought Prima's Official Strategy Guide, and that is what it says on page 249, " ... to deliver punishment and still remain hidden from view among their surroundings..." There is no qualification or indication that this doesn't apply to PvP. I was hoping that this was something similar to the stealther class in DAOC.
Thanks again for the information.
Well I apologize for calling you a whiner but you did reply to a post about Ranger that was relevant to PVP so you can understand my assumption, right?
My point was simply that Ranger is not meant to be a PVP class... and saying it is flawed in regards to PVP (as I thought you were saying) is inaccurate... atleast that is my opinion. I would like to see Ranger get some neat PVP skills but I just don't really see why. A Ranger is a master of the wilderness not master of warfare.