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Thread: 3 Rangers Enter Deathwatch Bunker, 1 Walks out...
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Oreet
Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:56 am
#1
Had a blast playing last night.
Myself and my roommate/guildmate wanted to head to Death Watch Bunker to see how far we could get. We've been there a few times, so we knew what we were getting into, and knew we needed more people.
So I contacted Shubacca, and told him to gather the troops. Most of our guild mates weren't online, so i figured Shub might have some members from <FV> to come give us a hand.
When it was all said and done, we had a crack combat team of 9 people, buffed and armed to the teeth ready to assault that place. Myself, Shubacca, and Pandara were representing the Ranger community in there. We also had 2 or 3 TKMs, one Master Doc/Swordsman, a smuggler, and a few ranged fighters.
Most of the group, this was their first time in that place, EVER. I went over some basic ground rules, like keep our doctor alive, don't do any area attacks, keep moving, follow me, stuff like that.
We were a well oiled machine. we made short work of the first set of black suns and battle droids. then the fun happened.
we procedded to the next room, and ended up with 2 super battle droids on us. Shubacca was a champ, he took all the damage from one of the SBDs while we all ganged up on the second one. after dropping the first one, we all gave Shub a hand, and dropped the second one. (by the way, shubacca's got a sweet new Executioner's Hack thanks to me
)We kept pushing forward, dropping black suns and death watches like nobodie's business. we made it past the room that spawns 4 battle droids, and then we just stayed in this room camping the black suns and death watches for a bit. someone went through a certain door, and set off a security alarm, and this spawned several more death watches. when this happened, some people started dying. our doc rez'ed em, and they just kept their distance helping out where they can with heals and attacks.
then, i, not realizing what i was doing, tripped the security alarm again, and all hell broke loose. poeple started turning into corpses faster than you can say "bob's your uncle".
of the final 4 buffed players, 3 of them were Rangers. Myself, Shub, and Pandara, along with our Master Smuggler, Swordsman Voto. Pandara dropped soon, and so did I. as i was almost dead, i called for a retreat. as i made it to the 4 battle droid room, and was shot in the back for a final deathblow.
but, like the champ he is, Shubacca ran out of Death watch, and made it all the way to the Smugglers outpost without dying. Voto was able to do the same.
so for anyone who questions a Ranger's ability, just talk to Shubacca. That wookiee is just one large, axe wielding tank. i am still very impressed with how he tanked that SBD the whole time it took us to kill the other one.
/salute Shubacca
had a blast there, one of the best nights i've had in game in a long time. this comes right after the gorax hunt, and mastering weaponsmith on Teero.
for anyone that hasn't been to death watch, try to get a good crew together, and check it out, it may be the toughest spot in the game, but we had so much fun there. we only made it 4 or 5 rooms in, but it was the farthest into death watch that we ever got before.
Oreet
Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:58 am
#2
oh yeah, we also came out of there with 2 Yellow DE-10 Barrels, several loot kit parts, an Alum Gel Packet, and a large pile of credits.
JBMat
Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:04 am
#3
Not to rain on anyone's parade...
How did his being Ranger help? Imagine if he was a stacker...
Now I can see how being a Ranger helps on creatures, but in the DWB?
I refrain from entering without a bodyguard of many well trained, buffed, insane, armored, steely-eyed firm jawed, killers. Or a load of Jedi grinding, that works too.
JB
Oreet
Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:12 am
#4
Being a Ranger didn't help at all.
It was just fun for 3 fellow rangers (shubacca being a Master Ranger) to get together with friends and hit the toughest spot in the game, and actually do well in there.
Being a Ranger does put the 3 of us at a huge disadvantage there, since we're pretty much limited to mastering one combat profession, and therefore can't defense stack. Myself, i'm a Master Pikeman, and that's the extent of my combat abilities, Pandara is Master Swordsman, and that's the extent of hers. Shubacca, i'm not positive on what else he's got, but he's a Master Ranger/Master Swordsman.
I just thought it was great that out of the 9 people that went in, the 3 of the final four left alive in there were rangers.
some poeple say we're worthless...
and i say they don't know what they're talking about.
we are forced to truly learn, and master our chosen combat profession (due to our skill point constraints), and therefore that gives us an advantage over the rest, as we understand the ins and outs of what we do more so than many of the leet uber stackers out there.
and either way, it was just loads of fun hanging with my ranger buddies killing black suns and death watch guys, as well as battle droids and super battle droids.
ScoerFusou
Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:10 pm
#5
Just to be fair...I only survived because I know when to run away screaming like a little girl to her mommy
JBMat
Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:28 pm
#6
Real men go to the Corellian Corvette. Real women too. And don't die. And get the badge.
Ok, I sit there while a friend runs it. In 6 minutes. Doesn't die. Rarely in combat. Loots mondo stuff. I hate him... well not really, just I hate he can do what I can't even start to do. Deal is we get the tickets, he runs it, we sit, we run to the escape pod when he says.
We all get AV 21 schematics to sell. yay us.
And as for running screaming like little girls - I doubt that was done. Maybe performing a retrograde manuver whilst imploring the gods to spare your sorry butt... that I would believe.
Good job anyhow.... I made it almost all the way thru the stupid Warren with a doc/swordsman buddy. Last 2 red cons and my stupid brandy gave out...d'oh. Doc was dead, I followed. Got him one badge anyways.
Ever wonder how Rangers get all the badges, we are stubborn rascals and we work at it.
JB
cross server trade me one of those barrels ???
Bassnet13
Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:38 am
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Heh... only time I've ever taken Ki'ara down DWB, we had a group of 15, who work extremely well together. Unfortunately, I had one of the docs tied up keeping me alive most of the time, so the other one was kinda in charge of keeping everyone else alive. Didn't work out as we'd originally planned. Needless to say, Reki is the one that goes when I head down there nowadays.
However, other places, Ki holds her own quite well. She had no problems running the Warren, and in fact is the one guildies call on to help them run it. Well see how she feels about the corvette tomorrow. Never been up there. Well, I take that back, I've helped waste one on the outside before, but that isn't the same.
However, other places, Ki holds her own quite well. She had no problems running the Warren, and in fact is the one guildies call on to help them run it. Well see how she feels about the corvette tomorrow. Never been up there. Well, I take that back, I've helped waste one on the outside before, but that isn't the same.
darmokVtS
Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:20 am
#8
JBMat wrote:How did his being Ranger help? Imagine if he was a stacker...
Ranger didn't help at all, the fact that he was a master swordsman and good armor however was the important part I guess
.Stackers are STILL heavily overrated for high-end PvE, high-end npcs and sbds etc have so high to-hit mods that melee defense stacked up to +125 is still basically ignored by them, only thing a stacker has as actually noticable defense-advantage over a non-stacker in PvE is the better state defenses, but the evil(tm) states (dizzy/kd) have been very, very rarely dealt in the DWB to me.
What helps to tank in the DWB (and on most other high-end PvE encounters):
- be a good PvE-tank profession with decent toughness, TKM and Master Swords work (with master swords working just as good as a tkm for tanking in the DWB but also being a better damagedealer to HIGH END npcs due to higher AP)
- heavy armor
- Always keep a variety of helpful foods to use on the right occasion (emergency situations when it gets really ugly, synthsteak & mandalorian wine are my two things usually used when it gets very awful) learn to use it only when it is really, really needed, stomach empties slower in the DWB for some reason than anywhere else.
A no longer existing char of mine, Master Swords as only combat profession at that time as I ditched the melee stacker template that this char used to have after I noticed it isn't worth it anyway for me, survided this (as you can see others were around to kill the sbds, but I tanked them). Granted that I needed some healage help and the fact that I could use equilibrium once (he was a zabrak) also helped but it should give you some ideas how good a simple master swordsman without any stacking can tank.
Long things short: what makes the meleers better PvE tanks than ranged fighters is NOT their defense-mods (Master Swords has LOWER melee and ranged defense than even a Master Rifleman heh), it's the toughness (and toughness is always tied to the type of weapon you wield, so you cannot stack that anyway).
darmokVtS
Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:31 am
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Bassnet13 wrote:
However, other places, Ki holds her own quite well. She had no problems running the Warren, and in fact is the one guildies call on to help them run it. Well see how she feels about the corvette tomorrow.
Probably better than you expect, almost all mobs on the corellian corvette wield a weapon with a HUGE damage range (as such heavily affected by damage mitigation) and they never, ever go to melee, so ranged damage mitigition 3 that you should have helps a lot there (the corvette is one of the places where I sometimes feel a stacker template would work better as I lack the ranged mitigation that ranged/melee-mix stacker templates include).
Vorpaks
Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:04 am
#10
JBMat wrote:
Real men go to the Corellian Corvette. Real women too. And don't die. And get the badge.
I was so close!
So.... the object of going to the Corvette isn't to come out completely black-barred with 1000 BF? Dammit!
I have never been farther than the front door of the DWB. But someday... when Paks is a Jedi maybe... ya right!
Nemo0
Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:07 pm
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The DWB is great fun but you really need a good group to get to the end. My recommendation is to take a single GOOD full group--two groups takes a bit long to get through the doors, eating into your buffs. It will make the beginning a bit harder but it's a lot easier if you can get to the end with mind buffs still intact. You do not want to use AoEs in most places there (currently you can pull agro through walls with AoEs so it can get quite ugly) but there are a few limited areas where you can. A Squad Leader is actually very useful to have in here if possible (boostmorale spreads the wounds out, letting CMs mind heal without too much worry and letting TKMs meditate away the group's wounds, rally and steady aim help the commandos hit a lot more often [and if commandos are hitting most of the time, everyone else is too], dizzy/stun heals keep your tanks on their feet now that NPCs use specials, people seem to dodge/counterattack/block more often when rallied, etc).
As for the corvette, it's doable solo, unbuffed, and unarmored. Ranger crawl speed really helps like this. The main thing to remember is that if they don't see you, they don't attack you (most of the time). Getting some loot like this is relatively straightforward but finishing the mission is usually more a problem of time and a bit of luck. The worst part is getting the ticket to go up (especially when you hike all the way out to one of the boxes and get a faction reward or something similar instead of the ticket).
And maybe we should make a goal of getting the Ranger Guild on TC into the DWB (possibly crafting a full set of Mandalorian). We will need help but it would be nice to try.
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