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Thread: Why does this post keep getting deleted would an explanation be too much?
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CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:52 am
#1
Well,i posted a link to the smuggler thread on how their profession revamp progressed and, after a post from owen accusing me of "dev-bashing!", the post was promptly deleted!!!
Dev bashing?, all i did was post from another profession in the hopes that we could learn from what has gone before and not trust to the vagaries of chance!
To accuse me of such a thing was disgraceful and uncalled for, especially when i was just trying to bring another professions views on their revamp progess to the ranger community as a whole.
And to delete a post, which still exists in the smuggler forums, was an act of, dare I say it, Imperial proportions!
All I said was that we should judge the devs on their past performances in similar areas to gain an idea of how we will be dealt with, but, im afraid THAT kind of discussion is simply not tolerated.
So here is the link again -
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983&highlight=smuggler+history#M81983
But I should point out it may not have been OWEN who posted the one derogatory reply, it may have been someone else - but their name was blue and i am 65-70% it was him (the damn thread was deleted just before i hit the reply button and my memory is not what it once was - sigh!
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-200511:28 AM
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-200511:42 AM
Fighting for freedom from Imperial oppression!
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:32 pm
#2
I only showed it because
1. its funny in a way.
2. it shows us how the devs treat others - and therefore we can deduce how we are going to be treated.
3. i just read it today - the post i quoted and decided to post it here for anyones edification.
I did not post it in any stickied thread as it was just a piece of imformation to drift down into the ether when people had finished with it, thats all, no big deal, or so i thought!
It is not Dev bashing , it is the truth. If it shows the devs in a bad light then that is not me "dev bashing" but it is their fault for behaving in that way in the past and continuing to do so now.
In fact, if you had let the post stand things would have been fine. As it is the fact that it was deleted without any reason other than the spurious idea that i was "dev bashing" and i did not know why ( a pm would have been fine ) it was deleted makes me wonder whether there is really any chance for this game or this profession with such underhand things going on.
You have in fact added to the disdain most players feel for the devs and their holier than thou attitude to us poor people who only pay for their enjoyment within this game and just want to be treated with a little respect as paying customers (a definitive yes or no would do to the BIG question).
When you deleted that post (which i posted in nothing other than a magnanimous manner) you also deleted the last vestiges of hope I had for this game and this profession. Not only the severe knock tothe respect you had recieved in my opinion for acting as our correspondent!
The least you could have done is just asked for a clarification of what i meant, I, unlike others, endeavour to answer reasonable requests.
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 04-04-2005 03:36 PM
Owen-Lars
Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:53 pm
#3
Er, just so you know, i dont delete posts. I flagged it and then a mod comes to look at it. If it violates forum guidelines (being unconstructive for instance) then it gets deleted, if not it stays.
Dev bashing can have its place, if theymess up (as they do often) they need to know how we feel, but not in a new thread for every single opinion. The devs know the opinions of this community, i can guarentee you that but that doesnt mean we need a new post about it even if its is to mention a thread that hasnt been mentioned before. With the cu around and tonnes of threads popping up repeating info over and over it needs clearing up and thats what has been doing. It needs focusing on the core areas, you should of just posted in the right thread thats all. Feel free to post it there for those that havnt already seen it if you want, but its up to you.
Again i didnt delete the post, just brought attention to it, it wasnt adhering to forum policy so it got wiped, end of story. If you have less respect for me now then you didearlier on in the day then thats fine, its completely up to you. If the mods think a thread is unconstructive and not achieving anything then it will be deleted, i dont delete them.
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:15 pm
#4
Im sorry, but i just stuck in as a small message not expecting anything big, thats why i didnt post it in a particular thread as i didnt want to clog them up with just a small bit of info like this, and after it was deleted i actually spent some time checking through the forum fules and the only one it violated was the one where soe can remove any post they dont like when they see fit!
I didnt actually know there was a particular thread for little bit of info that a smuggler friend told me i should post in the ranger forum as they might be interested!
Perhaps you could elucidate as to which part of forum policy it didnt adhere to?
Owen-Lars
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:18 pm
#5
Im not a mod dont know. Unconstructive is why i reported it because it was in the wrong place.
Hehe and you wouldnt be cloging the thread up 
i read every post in there and every opinion, viewpoint or angry rant is welcome there in that thread, thats why its there for.
i read every post in there and every opinion, viewpoint or angry rant is welcome there in that thread, thats why its there for.
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:34 pm
#6
I posted it there as it moved up the forum to where i could see it later on. I originally just stuck it in as a message as there was no relevant sticky for it to go in and I was TRYING to be helpful thats all.
There was no need to be so offensive to me in jumping all over and accusing me of "dev-bashing" tbh i couldnt really care about the devs one way or another, when i was just pointing out some other peoples methods of getting a revamp were not exactly succesful and we could perhaps learn from that.
What made it worse was the post was deleted so quickly after your post, whilst i was writing a short reply to clarify what i meant to you! Of course when i checked the guidlines for the forum to see if i had mucked it up somewhere I soon realised that the only guidline i had broken was the alluded to one of not saying what SOE wants you to say (its in the small print).
All i would have needed was some form of proper explanation from the start instead of this mad "the devs are good dont attack them" (which i wasnt doing) criticism. Its the least a fellow ranger can expect (especially one who has been it it for the long haul).
Vorpaks
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:55 pm
#7
Before anyone gets suspicious I am just going to state right out that I am reporting this thread to the mods. 
Take it to PMs if you want to get into the personal insults please.
Take it to PMs if you want to get into the personal insults please.
Owen-Lars
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:10 pm
#8
Hehe i cant imagine the next post if this one gets deleted too. Think i hit a nerve.
Anyways, dev bashing, its nothing new and everyone has done, that was not why the post was deleted though im assuming.
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:23 pm
#9
All, im saying is, give someone a chance before you go rushing off on a tangent.
I spend most of the time quiet, when I do post I dont do it out of spite or malice. I dont flame anyone. I read their post AND what it links to then I make a reply to them based on what I now know. If I dont know enough I will ask them for more details. Also, I am more than happy to explain anything to anyone that asks.
Iwouldnt mind just a tiny little bit of the same in return!
If I wanted to converse with a load of netspeaking morons who want there profession to be so freaking u8er that they pwn everyone then there are a couple of professions I could choose, but I didnt.
Nadias
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:25 pm
#10
All sorted out. Move along, nosey people
Nadias
SWG Forum Moderator
Message Edited by Nadias on 04-04-2005 10:45 PM
Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:51 am
#11
Yup was me, i reported it and asked for it to be removed. Its not needed and if you can suggest how its being constructive then ill listen
The dev bashing, be it justified or otherwise happens in nearly every thread we make these days and its getting extremely old. Not because i disagree, but because there are only so many times i can hear the same thing over and over. If you think our revamp is not going to take off then post your opinions here, even link to the smuggler thread if you want. The Ranger Revamp Thread
If you are worried about stuff CU side then there are 6+ cu thread open to discuss what you are worried about and what you think will/wont ever get work on. If you are concerned about the demise of ranger then there are two threads on the main page devoted to it. If you want to just express that you dont think there will be a revamp then do so but not in a thread without possibilities of being constructive. Post in the ranger revamp thread, thats where these posts belong. The CU is in full swing and the doom and gloom threads are all over the place so its not hard to find one.
Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:53 am
#12
Again its not the point thats wrong, its that we have gone over this over and over and there are many other threads devoted to such discussions. The ranger revamp thread is there to get your opinions across on what you want/think will happen with the ranger revamp.
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