Ranger Archive
Thread: Rangers really really do need a revamp
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Kinshi
Wed May 25, 2005 3:08 pm
#1
Ranger/Rifleman has been the only profs I have played in SWG all the way up to the Master level. I loved it and the Ranger lifestyle and I never had any doubts about being a Master Ranger/Master Rifleman, that was until post-CU and the /respec option.
I was so used to my template, I had never realized the sheer volume of SPs consumed by it and how little we get in comparison to other templates that use less SP.
At first I thoiught I might drop just the camping line of Ranger and try a lil bit of BH but then as I started fully exploring the options, I started seeing many ways to gain nearly the same game experience I have now but with many more specials and abilites.
So I descended all the way from Master Ranger to Scout 4/0/0/4 (enough to keep Mask Scent and some camps and foraging, and enough to get into BH/SL. I could have kept more Scout but, sadly the benefits of skill sin othe rprofessions far outweighed the Scout skills.
I found that my harvesting ability had a large impact but not large enough to be unable to fill harvesting contracts (at Scout 4/0/0/4 I can harvest 268 units by hand or 223 units with my droid. Thats plenty for me, hell I was happy to see that (I was expecting harvest yeilds of like 23 at that level)
I still hunt the same way I used to, I can still run around with mask scent, I can still harvest and use my droid, and I can still make and use camps but I gained a plethora of new specials and skill mods (I spent the SP on MBH / SL 0300/ Master Rifle/Novice Artisan (for /survey) and still have 5 SP left over to spend on FS skills. Now I can still snare, dizzy, blind, KD, have all kinds of ranged mods stacked on, still stay at CL80, gain new weapon certs, gain access to 30k missions, as well as assist in the GCW as a base buster, and still do all the things I used to do as a Master Ranger.
In a nutshell I was stunned to find out I lost very little and came to the realization of just how badly Ranger needs to be overhauled. A simple SP reduction wont do. The rangers abilities need to be completely reenvisoned. How can we be a respected profession if most of our skills have little demand or application?
I suppose many of you already realize all this but it never was clear to me untill I seriously began considering respec and explored the options and just what I get for being a Master Ranger.
The conclusion for me was clear, I wasnt getting nearly enough for having all those SP tied up. I do eagerly await a Ranger revamp and I will come home if we get what seems to be some real dev lovin but for the time being, well theres a lot more I can be doing w/ my SPs(sad to say)
Goldear
Wed May 25, 2005 3:36 pm
#3
To be honest this existed before CU. I remember posts here about how a master scout with a proper template could outharvesta master rangerin a blink of an eye, and still have sp available to do a miradother things, ie. MBH.
I still have a problem in that our traps don't work on npc's. We don't get bonus's when we are shooting animals, even though we have skinned a million of them, apparently we don't know the anatomy and where the weak point in the armor is or where the heart is.Our cammo still doesn't work. I can hide...but don't shoot at it, cause it will chase then. Ican sneakpast a krayt but not a group of tuskans...go figure.
I still get urked that other professions hunt better than we do at our own game..hunting organic creature resources.
So yup..we needed a revamp before Cu and still need one, I think once the bugs are out of CU rangers will be better off, but still in need of a MAJOR revamp.
I still think the dev's will turn us into a D&D ranger, ch will disappear and we will have petsmark my words!
Being an uber scout gets a bit tryingat times, especially when every ranger out there knowsthis profession can be so much more, and nobody really listens.
GunFu
Wed May 25, 2005 5:24 pm
#4
Well, we were told we would get one. This was the end of 2003 when we were told this. Also, smuggler, BH, and SL are ahead of us in the revamping. I think we will get revamped around the 2007 time frame. Seriously, they will take about 6 months for each of the othher professions then another 6 for ours. But, what really will slap ya in the face is taht the way this game is going it wont be around in 2007, lol.
Aalob Alarios
GunFu
Wed May 25, 2005 5:29 pm
#5
Ive been waiting since launch for them to fix my most loved professions (BH and ranger). At this point, I really dont care anymore. I have much better things to do than play this game. I will get on and play or get on the forums like I am now because Im working a 24 hour shift and have nothing else better to do, lol. Right now I play about once a week if that. I stay on the boards in hopes that someday the devs will actually get out of the jedi forum and fix the rest of the dam game. But I doubt it, they obviously dont care about nothing but jedi. Jedi makes them money. Think about it, how many of us are out there who buy a star wars game for ranger, lol. The devs dont care about star wars or the content. They want money and lots of it.
PoppaBear
Wed May 25, 2005 8:12 pm
#6
Goldear wrote:
To be honest this existed before CU. I remember posts here about how a master scout with a proper template could outharvesta master rangerin a blink of an eye, and still have sp available to do a miradother things, ie. MBH.
I still have a problem in that our traps don't work on npc's. We don't get bonus's when we are shooting animals, even though we have skinned a million of them, apparently we don't know the anatomy and where the weak point in the armor is or where the heart is.Our cammo still doesn't work. I can hide...but don't shoot at it, cause it will chase then. Ican sneakpast a krayt but not a group of tuskans...go figure.
I still get urked that other professions hunt better than we do at our own game..hunting organic creature resources.
So yup..we needed a revamp before Cu and still need one, I think once the bugs are out of CU rangers will be better off, but still in need of a MAJOR revamp.
I still think the dev's will turn us into a D&D ranger, ch will disappear and we will have petsmark my words!
Being an uber scout gets a bit tryingat times, especially when every ranger out there knowsthis profession can be so much more, and nobody really listens.
A friend and I are talking about this on AIM right now, and for some reason, we feel they're gonna do just that. I mean, why ask us about our Top 3 issues, if they just skip right over them and do whatever the hell they please?!
There's so many Ranger Revamp proposals here, that I'm sure they could use many of those ideas for our profession. But who are we? Just more folks out there to make money off of? I feel many of us would have left this game a long time ago due to many in-game issues, but Rangers remind me of a sayingI heard long ago:
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
We don't have a lot of the things like other profs do, but we hang in there. We still have fun despite the fact that the Devs gimp our lifestyle for the betterment of other profs. And to me, that's okay. When other profs are making it and being successful, I'm proud in knowing that Scouts and Rangers helped many of these professions along, and wouldn't be NO WHERE without us.
We'll make it as Rangers cause we don't whine and cry for fixes. We've had good corrospondents who have fought for us, and have taught many of us to use our brains and patience to get across to the Devs about what we want, and for that, I'm grateful. Regardless of what happens to Ranger in the future, I'll stay here and have fun, raise hell, and take comfort in knowing what proffession is the REAL backbone of this game.
My 2 cents...
CuchulainnDarklight
Wed May 25, 2005 9:34 pm
#7
PoppaBear wrote:
There's so many Ranger Revamp proposals here, that I'm sure they could use many of those ideas for our profession. But who are we? Just more folks out there to make money off of? I feel many of us would have left this game a long time ago due to many in-game issues, but Rangers remind me of a sayingI heard long ago:
They did use them!
They read our revamp proposals - took the ideas, and then gave them to other professions!
It saved them having to think up anything themselves!
AdjianaLinx
Wed May 25, 2005 11:15 pm
#8
I don't think ranger will get fixed before the game is shut down. Been waiting since release now really, and SOE just keeps improving and changing other professions over and over. The coming change to camo kits just shows that they rather see noone at all playing rangerso that they need to care even less about fixing the profession.
mindtrigger
Wed May 25, 2005 11:53 pm
#9
This may sound like a silly idea, but has anyone provided the devs with a "picture" of how we see the Ranger, but in a STORY form?
Maybe we aren't giving them the proper info. If none of them are Rangers at heart, then they probably can't even visualize what
we are asking for. If we have any decent writers here, I would have them tell a short story or two.. maybe one with us in a hunting role,
and one with us in a combat role so they can see EXACTLY (or close enough) how we invision ourselves.
They seem to take a lot of their cues from the movies. Since there are no Ranger movies (not sure about books), maybe they need
some hand holding.
Just a thought.
AragornSoS
Thu May 26, 2005 4:53 am
#10
Actually, that's been done. There's a thread around here called something like "Campfire Tales".... it's a series of stories written by folks here on the forums, about Rangers, showing off what we COULD be. Some are very well written actually.
Eavik
Thu May 26, 2005 7:13 am
#11
I've tried every profession in the game...melee, ranged, crafing, merchant, medical, smuggler, and creature handling. Everything except Jedi which I have absolutely zero interest in. Out of everything - there are only two professions that I refuse to drop - and they are the twomost screwed up professions in the game. Ranger and Smuggler.
Even as screwed as they are, they are still the most fun for me. I guess looking at it from a "glass is half full" angle, the game can only get better for me with the promised revamps for both professions...while most of the other professions are basically what they are intended to be already - other than the obvious bugs each profession currently has.
Ranger and Smuggler are fun for me because it's easy to get immersed into your character and I believe both professions have a great deal of potential to improve. I don't get that feeling with other professions.
Message Edited by Eavik on 05-26-2005 10:14 AM
GunFu
Thu May 26, 2005 8:42 am
#12
Yea, I got so mad at SOE last year I cancelled all 7 of my accounts including one jedi account, lol. Keep in mind I wasnt the only one who played. My wife, brother, and me all shared em. Im the only one who came back just to play my ranger. My bro and wife refuse to play stating, "this game is a machary (sp?) of star wars, the devs should be stoned." That was a quote from my wife, lol.
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