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Thread: Compromise solution for BF Healing in camps.
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Bessja
Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:22 pm
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This topic has been often discussed before. The perceived lack of entertainers adventuring and the lack of incentives to use camps have resulted in the request for Camps to heal BF without and entertainer. The issue is it locks the entertainers out of a core activity in their profession while augmenting several other professions (Scout, Ranger, SL) and providing a long requested upgrade.
I have come up with a somewhat unique solution combining the modules concept from the Outdoorsman proposal and an idea proposed by dragonace 
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.The 2.1 outdoorsman proposal speaks of a stage module that would allow entertainers to heal BF in camps. Dragonace suggested using holo recordings, which the entertainers have been asking for, as a way to allow camps to heal BF without an entertainer present.
Capitalizing on this idea, entertainers would be able to craft four new objects, much like they craft their instruments. The objects are a holo recorder, comlink , a jukebox module, and a holoprojector module. Then entertainers/dancers/musicians could capture a performance for playback in the appropriate module.
How this would work :
- Comlink schematic granted to Master Entertainer to construct a recorder for music.
- Holorecorder schematic granted to Master Entertainer to construct a recorder for dance
- Note experimentation would have no bearing on the tools, just like smuggling tools
- Certifications for both recorders would be placed in Novice Entertainer.
- Recording would grant a certain amount of XP.
- HoloVidProjector Module schematic provided to Master Dancer
- Jukebox Module schematic provided to Master Musician
- All schematics would require low end (think novice artisan) resources (10 Metal, 10 Chemical, 5 Power)
- The modules would heal BF at 25% of the rate that the entertainer would should they do that performance in real life
- The modules would grant 25% of the XP that a real life dance would everytime they are used.
- Modules would not grant a buff.
- Live entertainers would heal BF and gain XP at 100% of rate they would if in a cantina, to promote adventuring for entertainers
I think that this is a good compromise
Pros
- Camps can heal BF
- Entertainers still participate either way
- Balanced so that having a live entertainer is still preferable
- Revenue stream for entertainers
- Alternate way to gain (Recording, Playback).
Cons
- Encouraging entertainers to adventure
- Camp construction is no longer selfsufficent for Scouts and Rangers (true of multiple modules in Outdoorsman)
- Introduces increased crafting into Entertainer profession
Comments or Suggestions?
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Nemo0
Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:32 pm
#2
Entertainers are generally nice people. I wouldn't mind dealing with them for camping equipment. I'd be even happier if they came along, though.
ZallusNuranxis
Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:40 am
#3
I still think entertainers should be able to heal BF in camps. I'd pick up Novice Entertainer just for that
Rhyeal
Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:45 am
#4
this is a good idea. the devs were against BF autohealing as rangers would never need to come into town (which isnt true, rifle/rangers need pups and brandy from time to time), but this allows rangers to stay out of towns (what we want), and heal BF, but with the assistance of another profession (what the devs want).
AgonThalia
Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:20 am
#5
I like it... as it's been said, professional entertainers are generally nice people and they need some attention, anything that enhances both them and us is a good idea.
Phenix1050
Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:37 am
#6
I don't like the idea of BF auto-healing at all. I agree, many people will come into town, but I can already sense the power-gamers newest reason to call a Ranger...
"yo Dood, u make camp?"
um...yes, I'm Ranger
"dood, u want sm creds?"
i'm actually hunting right now, so I'm making money anyway.
"yo i giv u 2k to maks a cmp and sit in it for 2hrs whils i kill teh rancors"
no thank you, I'm all set.
**edit**? that's what u do, right? !*$# you, n00b.
/shudder.
anyway, I prefer interaction between people. In the outdoorsman 2.1 proposal, there was a system of camping that allowed modules to be made. There was a "Stage Module" which place a stage in the camp, which entertainers could perform on. Now only a master musician or dancer could make them, but they could be placed in the camp schematic by a Ranger. Then, any Entertainer could be brought along to heal BF. This would decrease specialization (now people always seem to go for Master Dancer, Master Musician. This would open the avenue for people that just wanted to have novice (much like novice medic).
Of course buffs would be able to be applied in the camps, so Masters would still be asked to come out. This would make a lot of people happy I think,since ents could actually go on big hunts/raids because the soldiers could come back to the HTFB during the battle and have a doctor and a entertainer there, healing and re-buffing everyone.
But that's just me.
BlakkStar
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:05 am
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Phenix1050 wrote:
I don't like the idea of BF auto-healing at all. I agree, many people will come into town, but I can already sense the power-gamers newest reason to call a Ranger...
"yo Dood, u make camp?"
um...yes, I'm Ranger
"dood, u want sm creds?"
i'm actually hunting right now, so I'm making money anyway.
"yo i giv u 2k to maks a cmp and sit in it for 2hrs whils i kill teh rancors"
no thank you, I'm all set.
**edit**? that's what u do, right? !*$# you, n00b.
I doubt it. With transportation in game atm traveling to a place where there entertainers isn't that difficult from my xp. Only on adventure planets do I see this being an issue (Endor, Dathomir). And as far as those planets go I already see there being ranger camps set up by PA members and alts. All in all, one should never let bothersome tells be a deterrent from getting new skills.
anyway, I prefer interaction between people. In the outdoorsman 2.1 proposal, there was a system of camping that allowed modules to be made. There was a "Stage Module" which place a stage in the camp, which entertainers could perform on. Now only a master musician or dancer could make them, but they could be placed in the camp schematic by a Ranger. Then, any Entertainer could be brought along to heal BF. This would decrease specialization (now people always seem to go for Master Dancer, Master Musician. This would open the avenue for people that just wanted to have novice (much like novice medic).
If u don't like the recording idea then this idea would make your scenario ten times worse.
Bessja
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:12 am
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Two clarifications -
First the entertainers healing BF, any entertainer is still the perferred way to heal BF, heal mind, and mind buff in my proposal. The players and recorders are not direct replacements for entertainers, rather they are to be used if you cannot find or cannot persude and entertainer to join you group.
Second the players and recorders do not replace the stage module in Outdoorsman 2.1. This module would still be used and would probably be used more frequently that the players since they allow real entertainers to heal BF at a faster rate than the players.
Phenix1050
Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:22 am
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BlakkStar wrote:
If u don't like the recording idea then this idea would make your scenario ten times worse.
I doubt it.
Basically, you can't heal BF without an entertainer in my scenario. In the recorder scenario, you can heal by yourself. Thus negating the need for an entertainer (except to manufacture). In my scenario, you'd need both a Ranger and an entertainer to heal BF, meaing that if you didn't have one, nobody could tell you to put up a camp to heal BF, unless they had an ent around.
Basically, I just don't see the justification for any proffession to be able to heal BF except ents. Yes, technically an ent still does it in this case, but seeing as how ents are a "social proffession", this completely removes the need to be social. Basically, where my idea REQUIRES human interaction, this one serves to remove it.
I'm not saying I don't like where the idea is heading. In fact, it's a great idea. It's a new take on an old problem. For me, this issue is that it raises more problems. I think we need to keep as much of the game intact as possible, and that for me means that you can't turn a social proffession into a crafting proffession, and believe me there would be many people asking the dancers/musicians just to make those recorders. At least with a stagae a dancer can go "okay, I'll make it, but since you'll need an entertainer anyway, why don't I tag along so I can buff during the hunt?"
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