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Thread: Too familiar post... another excited RANGER drops out...

zolar-1
Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:18 am
#1
Will try to keep this short... This was my first profession when i started the game...of all i read this one appealed the most...but now after playing the game for awhile now...i quickly see the tremendous shortcommings of this proffession. There is no way you can justify tieing up TWO of your Three proffessions just for RANGER...unless you just love it and are satisfied. I am also a wookie -pikeman, and i am severely limited by not having other defenses, so i am going to branch out.


I must admit i tried to keep an open mind after reading the comments in the forumn but i swear the straw that broke my back was on dath...i had a +13 mask scent clothing and was using the CAMO kit....for the planet...and could not fly 200m without getting detected! Talk about being pissed off.....(this on top of the other issues)


Well hopefully they will greatly increase the abilities of the Ranger soon...because it takes time to gain the title of Master Ranger... but i dont feel that the rewards match yet.


A Ranger should be the most sought after proffession for any group going hunting...to the point of giving out group bonuses (like a squad leader perhaps) for say more spawns or greater harvesting....


Good luck to ya all, and i look forward to when i can once again wear the title....


Zolar

Sunrunner



Zolar

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will." - Yoda
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:50 am
#2
Good hunting to you .



Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.
Ehope
Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:46 am
#3
I'm still balancing on that ledge. It's really hard to give up something that defines Ehope. While I'm up here...someone bring me a sammich.

theshagnasty
Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:57 am
#4




Ehope wrote:
I'm still balancing on that ledge.



Ahh, so youre the chap on my right then are you, shall we jump together, give the Devs holding the tramp below us a tough choice, they can only catch one at a time after all.


The reality of course is that they would hear two splats in quick sucession: -

New Dev: - "What was that, did you hear something?"

Vet Dev: - "Just another couple of Rangers, dont worry about it, just remember to look up as you enter and leave the building mate, not too many more to go and it will be safe again"



Marcus Nasticus - FarStar

-=Master Ranger=-
By choice, not holo....!
EbeLightcloud
Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:09 am
#5

Sorry to see you go Zolar, but do what makes you happy


Patiently Waiting


Ebe





Master Ranger...er...Spy
Master Riflewoman...er...Spy
Iseult
Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:32 am
#6




zolar-1 wrote:


I must admit i tried to keep an open mind after reading the comments in the forumn but i swear the straw that broke my back was on dath...i had a +13 mask scent clothing and was using the CAMO kit....for the planet...and could not fly 200m without getting detected! Talk about being pissed off.....(this on top of the other issues)





Please don't take this as too much of a criticism, but you were on your speederbike and I think the effectiveness of camo has some relation to the speed at which you move -- back in the day before mounts and speeders, the effectiveness of camo and maskscent seemed to decrease in proportion to the speed at which you were travelling (unless, of course, you were in close proximity to a kreetle or a vrelt, in which case masckscent and camo almost always fail). So, if you were burstrunning, you had a higher chance of being detected than if you were walking or crawling prone. And this does make sense -- if you're on a noisy, smellyspeederbike whizzing by at 200 meters per second or crashing pell-mell through the underbrush at burst run speed, you're probably going to get noticed by something.


Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Pistoleer
Bloodfin





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Iseult
Elder Ranger / Respec Moisture Farmer
Bloodfin


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Ogo
Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:44 am
#7
I knew someone would bring up the speed argument.

Guess we should all be crawling around on our bellies for maximum camo effect?



The Kreetle sees all
Master of piercing camo
Rangers have no chance

Iseult
Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:29 am
#8
sorry man - but I think there's a bit of a difference between saying "I'm dropping ranger because camo says in the descriptions that it works against npcs and it doesn't" or "every kreetle I come across breaks my camo," etc.... -- both these (and others) seem a bit more valid than "I buzzed a rancor at 200m -- drove through its stomach in fact -- and it broke my camo." Yes, it is annoying that camo breaks on a speeder, but come on, if you buzzed me at 200m per second I sure would notice, and I'm not that bright.


And actually, just for the record, it's the noisy+smelly+speed argument -- as in, a speeder is a smelly, noisy, mobile piece of equipment, so it's more likely that it will be noticed....


Iseult
Master Ranger / Mediocre Pistoleer
Bloodfin



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Iseult
Elder Ranger / Respec Moisture Farmer
Bloodfin


Iseult's Adventure Shop - winner, galactic homeshow 1.25.2007
Ogo
Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:58 am
#9
Alright then, as a Bothan Master Ranger with BE enhanced clothing, I'd like to say: every kreetle I come across breaks my camo. This is an exaggeration to be sure, but it *does* happen often enough that I begin to wonder what the point of the skill really is other than to waste resources on. I've made massive factory runs of camo kits and now they just sit and collect dust because I find I don't need them.

Now how well does it work if you aren't a Bothan? Aren't a Master Ranger? Don't have BE enhanced clothing?



The Kreetle sees all
Master of piercing camo
Rangers have no chance

zolar-1
Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:07 pm
#10
Good points from all of you...but please allow me to expand a bit...


I just listed that as one example (the speeder) but it doesnt matter whether on a speeder or not...to be honest i noticed very little difference between masking scent or using the camo kit...i mean sure the camo kit has worked a bit better...but the fundamental problem lingers....and that is that we -as master rangers- should be VERY difficult to detect by any animal....


i could see exceptions being an animal like an ancient rancor for example...for arguments sake it has been alive a long time and is hard to fool....but for every little animal to just be able to "detect" our presence is wrong in my opinion. Sure i can see if you come zooming by on a bike sure they hear the bike...but if you jump off the bike you should still be invisible..


One thing (being a programmer myself) is I wonder if the developers working on the ranger profession have actually spent the time to become a master ranger...and I would then ask them -- "would you want to stay one? or was it worth spending the time and effort to master the profession?"


zolar





Zolar

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will." - Yoda
Cyberwarrior
Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:40 pm
#11

i just recently became a master ranger.... last night in fact. tonight i headed off to dathomir for a bit of hunting. i was in a large group of people spread out hunting across the galaxy, so getting 2 enraged rancor lairs was no problem. i crept up on the lair, applied a camo kit and crawled prone until one of the rancors was in range of my rifle. just as i was about to open fire the creature detected me. i pulled back, reapplied camo and tried again. same thing happened. all night long i was detected over and over while camo'd up. i found mask scent to be more reliable than camo. not to mention mask scent doesn't require crafting.



now i just got master ranger last night, and all the time i spent grinding to make master i thought i was really going to like being a ranger, but now i'm not so sure. aside from flaws with the camo and the disappointing amount of organics we can harvest, i haven't really found very much use for the tracking skills, and the high tech field base is really nothing but a larger version of every other camp with some extra eye candy.



i want to give ranger a fair shot, but i can't think of any feature in the profession that balances the cost in skill points. i have a feeling ranger will soon be dropped in favor of a better combination of skills unless i can find some use for my skills.





In Game Name: Dosi Felarr
Iseult
Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:14 am
#12




Ogo wrote:
Alright then, as a Bothan Master Ranger with BE enhanced clothing, I'd like to say: every kreetle I come across breaks my camo. This is an exaggeration to be sure, but it *does* happen often enough that I begin to wonder what the point of the skill really is other than to waste resources on. I've made massive factory runs of camo kits and now they just sit and collect dust because I find I don't need them.

Now how well does it work if you aren't a Bothan? Aren't a Master Ranger? Don't have BE enhanced clothing?





I totally agree with you here -- if camo sticks, it lasts for 30 minutes, which is really nice, but it seems to break far too often. I only really use camo kits when I'm hunting with other people and I get annoyed because their maskscent keeps breaking, so I camo them, but no -- the camo never really outlasts the speeder trip between missions. I don't have a gripe with your complaint -- I can accept camo breaking on speeder-bike as a reasonable trade-off; that is, if you want to stay stealthy, then maybe you shouldn't hopon the speeder.


Iseult
Master Ranger/ Mediocre Pistoleer
Bloodfin




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Iseult
Elder Ranger / Respec Moisture Farmer
Bloodfin


Iseult's Adventure Shop - winner, galactic homeshow 1.25.2007
Ehope
Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:59 am
#13
Ehope peers over her ledge.

"What the heck is that?"

*looks closer*

/think a harvesting droid?


Ehope feels a sting and plucks a sharp bone spur from her arm. (good thing it actually didn't blind)

"What the heck is that?"

/think a trapping droid?


Ehope looks down the ledge and spies a dev madly pushing buttons on a remote control.....laughing and telling Ehope,


"Not to worry Master Ranger, I'll make sure the trapping droid tranqs you before the harvesting droid skins you alive."



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