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Thread: Mineras
Any word from these Developers on actual Ranger issues? I saw the response in the scout forumsand well yay for them. Its wonderful news for those who are moving on to other professions to get all the benefits of being aranger bar thecamps weget.I mean they are just as good as we are now and get to spend theirskill points in other areas. Why did I spend all this extra time and skill points to have a scout be able to roam undetected aswell as a ranger? As of this patch there is no advantage to being a ranger except for the nicer camps and the utterly useless /rescue.
When are they going to answer OUR issues and not the scout issues? When will they listen to our pleas for changes?
Arki
Ranger Scout who has apparently wasted 70 skill points
of Chilastra
Ark,
You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. Our two professions are linked - what benefits one, benefits the other. All of our changes aid Rangers. So think of it this way - once you get your changes, you'll have two posts worth of good news, while we only had one.
Be optimistic - the game is too new to be so glum. 
B
Except Deltaxi65 at this point there is NO point of being a ranger.
I think that this is quite evident to any sane person looking at the class. I think the changes for scout are great. They were needed. But where does that leave Rangers?
You cant simply dismiss his woes by saying it helped him.
1. Since he was already a Ranger didnt really do that much.
2. Further cemented the idea that his beloved class is well... redundant.
BarneyIX BH (Ranger dabbler)
Barney,
C'mon. That's crap - if it weren't, why are you still a Ranger? Why are any of us?
Here's what we have now that sets us apart:
1.) We're the camp gods - do you know how many timesI get asked to set up a camp now? At least five times a day.
2.) We're the hunting gods - I rake in the bone/hide/meat like its going out of style. Much, much more than when I was just a scout.
3.) We do get respect from others - I am generally always in the lead, not just because of my personality, but people recognize that to get to Ranger, we've got to have been out hunting much more than they have, and thus have a better idea of creatures and which ones to follow and which ones not too.
4.) We're crazy fast - Not only are we fast on hills,I can crawl almost as fast as I can walk.
5.) With the maskscent bug, we're invisible - I can go /afk on Yavin 4 and not have to worry about getting aggroed until maskscent wears off.
Now, are these things as great as being able to spam knockdown for three hoursand kill Dark Jedi Masters? Maybe not. But we all know that the issues with Rangers are temporary and will be fixed. Look at this from the perspective that because of the lack of content now, we have a much greater say than the professions that were basically rounded out a while ago. I personally enjoy knowing that things I've suggested will be part of the game.
So look at this glass as half full, with a big ole' pitcher waiting to top it off.
B
DeltaXi65 wrote:
Ark,
You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. Our two professions are linked - what benefits one, benefits the other. All of our changes aid Rangers. So think of it this way - once you get your changes, you'll have two posts worth of good news, while we only had one.
Be optimistic - the game is too new to be so glum.
B
Delta no offense but I think you missed the point of my post. We know that our professions are tied together and I am not disputing that. What affects thestarting profession (Scout) will most certainly affect the elite profession (Ranger). My point is that with the recent changes to Scout , Sony has basiclly made the Ranger even more vanilla and honestly no better than a master scout. What advantges do ranger's get now for spending 70+ skill points that a Scout doesn't?
1) /rescue - This utterly useless skill which is bugged BTW. Rescue can be used as an expolit to kill another PC which still hasnt been fixed
2) Greater Prone Speed. Cmon and give mea break here!!How many people do you see crawling out there? Yesterday on Lok I did a recon mission so as I got closer I decided to test out my supercool new hyperprone speed.At 63 m awayI was detected, thru a hill nonetheless, and was agroed by an NPC humanoid.Another useless and/or broken skill.
3) Camo - This used to be the factor in determining how well the maskscent ability worked. But no more. This skill means NOTHING at the moment becuase of another well thought change by the developers. Now a master scout and a master ranger get the same skill in avoiding creature NPC's (Again I ask why did I spend 70 extra skill points for this, when I could just be a master scout?)
4) 2 traps - which suck anyway . The scout line gets like 8 traps as a base profession, Rangers get two as an elite profession???
5) Field Bases - Eye candy is what these are . The camps do not repel agro (and arent supposed to according to SOE) and heal only slightly better. Who cares. I can do without these. So I get a crafting station in it. WHo needs it when a regular camp and droid will do.
So this list is kinda short right? Well that's kinda my point. We have nothing really over a master scout that justifies us spending an additional 73 Skill points on. We harvest a little better, forage a little better (thats broke too) and we get a small bonus to creature to hit bonus (which still doesnt work vs melee attacks) and creature knowledge (broke too!!)
Again no offense, but how am I looking at this from the wrong perspective? I am not quitting as a ranger, I want to be a ranger, but I want the developers to notice thatit meansnothing tobeing a ranger right now and I want them to do something aboutit.
And I am not glum,. I Play thisgame every day til I pass out.
Arki
Ranger Um, supercool Scout I mean. Yeah thats what I am!!
of Chilastra
Wow. I just read the Scout changes. Good changes for them, and it sounds like that's what just might tip me to untrain Ranger. Still not sure yet. It is becoming evident that the Devs are focusing strongly on level 1 classes and ignoring level 2 and 3.
One thing that disturbes me is that people keep saying "Ranger is not Scout x2. They are their own class." I'm pretty darn sure that we are a Glorified Scout. If the Ranger class continues the line of the Scout, then all these benefits that they are testing should max out at 50% for the Scout. That means that the Scout is only half as good as the Ranger. They can only run over terrain half as good as us. They can only harvest half as good as us. And they can trap only half as good as us. And they can only camp half as good as us.
The only thing I can see the Devs doing is that they are planning on diversifying the Ranger class. But we already know that won't mess with classes at this point.
Ark,
You're looking at this from the wrong perspective because you are operating under the assumption that none of the Developers have any idea that the Rangers need work, and that they are instead spending all of their time fixing things with Scouts.
There's going to be a Ranger correspondent report soon, and I can pretty much guarantee you that the issues you've brought up are going to be touched upon.
Simply because we cannot see what is being done does not mean that nothing is being done.
Instead of listing our gripes - which we've done over, and over, and over, and over again, we need to relax and just wait...they're getting to us. If they get here and we don't get we want/need/expect/deserve, then we start complaining again.
I just think that despite all of the issues with Rangers, there's no need to be so down about it. We know what's wrong, and better yet - we know that they know what's wrong. You think Holocron is popping his head in over on the Doctor boards to say we're working on stuff? No - because they aren't as hurting as we are. That's a pretty big acknowledgement thatMineras' posts are hitting the mark and are getting to the right people.
Just trust Mineras and the Devs, and wait - we'll get ours soon enough.
B
Delta and Ark you both have solid points in your arguments ... I'm sure you both realize that you have to agree on than disagree on .
Either way I'm glad that a discussion with different viewpoints can be had in this forum ... without silly flaming or juvenile inane non-statements . Great read , let's all keep our fingers crossed and wait for the report , I'm giving it another 48 hours before I start posting the flaming anger hehe .
Good hunting all
Jon
FIrst line should read " you have more to agree on than disagree on " .
Errm . Yeah . Edit feature anyone ???