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Oh look, another Brian! /wave


I'm not 100% sure, but I'd say possibly.

I was using the Yavin and Dantooine camo's from WayIII when I only had WayI, so, if you can use camo from 2 levels above I'd guess at WayIV you could use Dath.

HOWEVER, the effectiveness of camo is based on a number of factors, including your skill mod for camo and the creature that you're rolling against detection by. I just use /mask on Dath atm as the ingredients for a camo are 'local' and I'm not quite up to the stage of downing three rancors just to make half a dozen applications of camo 'in country'.

no you cant you have to have the kit put on you by a master because you are not experienced to use it. well that was the problem i had it may have changed recently

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dantehicks wrote:
no you cant you have to have the kit put on you by a master because you are not experienced to use it. well that was the problem i had it may have changed recently

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I know when I was given some camo kits by a Ranger back when I was a Scout I couldn't use then and got the skills message up. But I have only just taken Wayfaring III and leveled that largely by working Dantooine, camoing myself and my group, using the old crate of camo. Likewise, when I went up to Yavin recently to tend harvesters I was able to /conceal.

!!! Ah... unless you can use the camo from the box above the level you are already at. /slaps forehead.

Okay, I want a volunteer novice ranger to experiment with camo on. You may end up dead, lost and badly affected by the materials used, but, look, it's in the interest of science...



/conceal self
/conceal
You have carefully applied camoflage to X
/say Ok, off you go. Walk over to that graul and see what hap
/X has fallen incapacitated
/X has been slain
/t X ooops?
/logout

Your level of Wayfaring only affects whether you can make the camo kits or not and how well they coneal you.

As long as you have Wayfaring I, you can use any camo kit.

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Seiryuu wrote:
Your level of Wayfaring only affects whether you can make the camo kits or not and how well they coneal you.

As long as you have Wayfaring I, you can use any camo kit.

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I think we're getting to the bottom of it!

You're quite right in saying that the Wayfaring level grants you the schematic to make a camo, and yes, anyone of Novice Ranger and above seems to be able to apply (or is this Wayfaring I and above?) can apply a camo to themseves and others.

Your skill modifier effects how successful you are in any check by a creature against detecting you.

So, at Novice Ranger you have your 100 modifier for /maskscent and 0 modifier for /camo.
At Way I you gain an addition save against detection of +40 and a further +40 at Way III. This means the creature (as this is a turn based game I'll describe it like the dice based version for illustration) makes a roll based on it's level as to whether it will detect you. This may be modified by it's state, ie, alert, spooked, scout, etc. You make a saving rol against this based on your /conceal and /mask modifers.

If either of these comes in lower than the creatures roll you will get either sniffed out or spotted.

By Master you have a mask/camo of 100/100 so with the appropriate camo kit and the right sort of 'state' on the prey, you'll go undetected against a CL100.

Actually, that's just sparked two questions in my mind. First does thi smean that creatures on Dathomir just have exceptione hearing and eyesight (would make sense in the dark there) and secondly, are BE overkill or insurance at Master level?

So, I would suspect that at Way III, with your +80 camo modifier and a > +20 camo/mask BE item you'd have the same chance of being spotted as a MR ?

Which is more or less where we came in with the original question, lol. And if you DID have two players, one MR one BE'd, cammoed up you'd still not be able to say for sure which had the most effective save as there are probably other variables that come into play in the calculation.