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Thread: RL Rangering
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Springbok
Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:26 am
#1
Atema and Jasse were beating around a topic about Tigers and Elephants and how they react or view the other. I can respond but did not feel like hijacking the thread =P.
I grew up overseas (RL) 8 years in Asia and 9 years in Africa. (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Ghana, Gambia, Malawi, Tanzania, and South Africa) I have a national diploma of Game Ranging and am a Licensed Game Ranger in South Africa...
Switch out tigers for lions, and take elephants, same creature mentalities, but more my area of specialty.
Jasse was indeed correct, as far as adult elephants are concerned. They are not seen as food by lions, and though a potential threat, not generally viewed as one either. The only time this changes is when the food (the calves) come into play, but lets leave that out of the discussion, until the topic shifts anyhow >
. Elephants could generally careless about the big cats, or any other predator, they are simply not a viable option on the food chain, especially on a work effort / eating ratio. They would expend way too much energy, and scavengers / competition would eventually drive them away from all that food. These are all things on some basic level, predators consider.
. Elephants could generally careless about the big cats, or any other predator, they are simply not a viable option on the food chain, especially on a work effort / eating ratio. They would expend way too much energy, and scavengers / competition would eventually drive them away from all that food. These are all things on some basic level, predators consider. Edit: As a side note my screen name, Springbok (Spring Buck) (also national animal of South Africa, aka soccer and rugby team names, whereas the Impala, there known as a Ruibok, or Red Buck, is the antelope indicated on the tail of South African Airways.
Another good example of two animals that have this "nor food nor threat" mentality (one-way anyway) is the crocodile and hippo. (Again only adults used for the example, but it can be said a croc kill on a hippo calf is very uncommon, perhaps rare) The crocodile hunts all animals, one of the very few true predators that eats all, prey and predator types, but the hippo. It is near instinct for a croc to know not to attack a hippo, its a lose situation always, often with very little pain for the hippo. (hard to kill something that weighs two tons, has the second largest teeth of land animals, and can top out swimming at 50 mph!!!) Point is they can abide in reletively close proximity to each other, and the hippo does not fear the crocodile in any way. (Even with calves present in the pod a crocodile is more of an agitation really, which in its own right is often a death sentence from the bull.)
Also correct, which is why a form of /camo should be involved when riding mounts (perhaps as a bonus to compensate not on the faster moving speeders, other than with a mount you give the terrain time to spawn while your still riding upto, rather than while or after you have passed said spawn on a speeder), are RL animals inability to distinguish a human on another animal (aka horse) or in an open-top land rover. It is just percieved as a larger animal. But the moment the shape changes, they see the difference, I don't think waving your arms would makeenoughof adifference, but standing up and waving your arms? Indeed. When a horse-man dissolves into two recognizable animals (man gets off horse), the hunt is on. When not, it is different from instinct, knowledge of prey, hence caution, or just plain "leave-it-alone" mentality comes into play.
Discuss 
Message Edited by Springbok on 08-10-2004 01:30 PM
Vorpaks
Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:42 am
#2
I think they may not hunt you but the really aggressive animals may still attack you on a mount, for the same reason a (black?) rhino will charge a jeep. In this case you are the croc and they are the hippo, they'll attack you because you are an annoyance, not necessarily for food or defence. So IF camo was applied when riding a vehicle it would break depending on the aggressive level of the creature.... and against kreetles... just because they are irritable.
EDIT: Okay, I went and found the original post. I was a little confused. I thought you were saying that everyone should get some sort of automatic camo applied to them when they are on a mount/speeder. Now I see that the argument is to allow scouts to mask scent and rangers to apply camo when mounted? Or that being mounted would give you a mask scent bonus?
EDIT: Okay, I went and found the original post. I was a little confused. I thought you were saying that everyone should get some sort of automatic camo applied to them when they are on a mount/speeder. Now I see that the argument is to allow scouts to mask scent and rangers to apply camo when mounted? Or that being mounted would give you a mask scent bonus?
Message Edited by Vorpaks on 08-10-2004 01:57 PM
Vorpaks
Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:45 pm
#3
Actually Ken you just reminded me that this is/was in the game. Tortors on Talus did not used to be pack creatures (I think they changed this?), so you could shoot at one and the others would not attack. However, the bulls would make false charges that we would often mistake for a real attack and we would shoot at the thing and it would stomp us all into the ground.
I know I've seen this false charge in other non-pack creatures as well. So I guess that cover my rhino example, the charge but no attack accompanied with a "?"
They will do this to other creatures as well. I know I've been happy to see something else run over to the creature I'm attacking and seemingly help me out... only to wander off a few seconds later.
I know I've seen this false charge in other non-pack creatures as well. So I guess that cover my rhino example, the charge but no attack accompanied with a "?"
They will do this to other creatures as well. I know I've been happy to see something else run over to the creature I'm attacking and seemingly help me out... only to wander off a few seconds later.
JBMat
Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:28 pm
#4
Wow, good knowledge.
Didn't know you could get a degree in Rangering either.
Hope all the animals realize that Rangers here are threats, lol.
JB
Kinnison75
Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:19 pm
#5
One thing I have learned working my way up to ranger is knowing the animal behaviors. The knowledge becomes useful when I can kit a high level aggro creature into a nearby lair. and have the non-aggro lair Mobs attack the aggro creature. They tank for me, while I get the Booku XP for taking out a Con Red creature.
one thing to note is that in RL a lot of preadtory creatures still use sight when attacking creatures. yet it seems in SWG a lot use scent instead of thier eyes.
one thing to note is that in RL a lot of preadtory creatures still use sight when attacking creatures. yet it seems in SWG a lot use scent instead of thier eyes.
Jasse
Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:28 am
#6
w00t! Two rights! New personal best!
Seriously though, I belive ATemA's info on the lions in his last post, just goes to show that there are no absolute truths in nature. But the general case is probably the one you describe. Interesting read though, and you must have had a great time growing up as a Ranger!
Back to topic on the other thread....
Almagill
Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:58 am
#7
/agree Springbok/Camina
I'd been going to chip in with pretty much the same, but in my case it's secondhand knowledge from my wife and her family who were out in Tanzania/East Africa.
As for the rhino charging Landies, aiui, isn't this territorial behaviour, warding off an invading large animal after giving warnings which the driver of the Landy has ignored.
Transferring that over to the game, it's more like a faamba charging down a Ranger, incapping him and wandering off. If you are weak (third incap) you're carrion.
ooooohhhhh!!!! I got a ranger want!! Give us multiple occupant vehicles, a mobile shooting platform. Uh... no, that'd make us unbalanced
I'd been going to chip in with pretty much the same, but in my case it's secondhand knowledge from my wife and her family who were out in Tanzania/East Africa.
As for the rhino charging Landies, aiui, isn't this territorial behaviour, warding off an invading large animal after giving warnings which the driver of the Landy has ignored.
Transferring that over to the game, it's more like a faamba charging down a Ranger, incapping him and wandering off. If you are weak (third incap) you're carrion.
ooooohhhhh!!!! I got a ranger want!! Give us multiple occupant vehicles, a mobile shooting platform. Uh... no, that'd make us unbalanced
Springbok
Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:00 pm
#8
Rhino's. Lol don't get me started. Too late!!!
Too late!!!Rhino's can see 3 meters, about 10 feet, literally, when they hear or smell something that spooks them (they really are cowardly animals, but more on the grumpy side than not) thy run in a random directon. (They have never learned via instinct to run away from danger or that which scares them, simply because nothing can really hurt them). You never hear about Rhino's charging a bush when a vehicle spooks them, do ya? But it happens 90% of the time. You only hear the vehicle got destroyed by a charging rhino, but more to the turht is the rhino was a spooked rhino, not charging. But then when something stopped it...it got mad...and moved it (the vehicle) to keep running away, which oftens means destroyed. So chances are when you hear about a rhino charging a car it was most likely running away from its current spot it got initially spooked at 
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.Now when a rhino charges a vehicle intentionally.... I'll bet any amount the person(s) in the car never did see the calf that was (and always is)upwind from the parent (other side of the car). 
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.Facts: Black and white rhino's? Why named as such...they are both the same color? Anyone know the 2 most popular beliefs?
Anyone know the 2 ways you can always tell the difference between a black and white? One at close range, one at far range?
I'll respond in a couple hours
Edit: Oh and for the mock charges /cackle. (i love animals discussions) You can tell an elephant is mock charging when tehy are trumpetting, ears flailing, and trunk going up and down. Best thing you can do is stand your ground, but look at the ground in submission. When an elephant is really charging and you better get the beep outta there? No sound, all business. Trunk tucked deep below body, ears flat to the sides, only thing protruding from the streamlined raging elephant is its tusks. Oh and bull elephants generally do the mock charging, but when the cow charges? GO! African elephants have been known to chase human vehicles several kilometers for thinking they meant harm to her calves of the family. IF your ever been on or will be on safari with elephants, watch when your looking at the elephants, how the ranger parks teh rover in such a manner that his escape can be fast and directly away form teh elephants...
Message Edited by Springbok on 08-13-2004 04:07 PM
Kinnison75
Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:31 pm
#9
Rhinos like to wallow in mud, that is why they look so similar since they are often the color of soil. The white rhino has a wider mouth since it mainly eats grasses. Black rhino has a narrow mouth because it mainly eats leaves from bushes and shrubs, black rhinos also have a prehensile upper lip.
That is one thing I have found out about being a scout/ranger, learning about the animals become a great asset to harvesting and hunting.
That is one thing I have found out about being a scout/ranger, learning about the animals become a great asset to harvesting and hunting.
Springbok
Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:41 pm
#10
Woot Vanbuzzkrkk. Sorry you were posting at same time as me lol. Hence my pore-edited post below:
No guesses? sheeesh lol. On the off chance anyone cares:
Why named: Well one ( I am against it but its possible) the dutch word and english word (for that matter) of the white's describes there mouth. It sounds like wide, or vide rather, and over time wide became white. So if one was wide/white the other was black. The more popular belief (and one I hold) is pure geography, locally anyhow...a white rhino feeds on shrubs in the plains, the black feed off acacia trees in thick underbrush. So when you see a black rhino from afar it is in dense underbrush usually, under shadows, and appears black. Whereas the other, in the plains, under the sun, appears white. The names stuck.
How you can differentiate a white form black. Well close range: A black rhino as mentioned feeds off leaves form acacia trees (these are the trees that giraffe eat from too for example, famous for their 1-6 inch thorns). Its mouth therefore is triangularly shaped, with a long tongue. The white rhino eats shrubs, and grasses out in the plains, therefore like a horse or cow, has a flat, square mouth for grazing....
From afar, you can't tell, apart from if they are in their usual feeding areas, the blacks move and may be suntanning, the whites desire shade of course, so its not an exact science. However if there are claves present, the whites ALWAYS keep their young ahead of them, whereas with black rhino's the calves are ALWAYS behind their parents (whilst moving purposely of course). An easy wayto remember this (and please excuse the slight racial stereotype), in Africa, especially amongst the tribes, the black africans usually carry their young in blanket sacks on their backs. Whereas the whites keep their babies, in strollers, in front of them.
Message Edited by Springbok on 08-13-2004 06:43 PM
Almagill
Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:12 am
#11
Vorpaks wrote:
Actually Ken you just reminded me that this is/was in the game. Tortors on Talus did not used to be pack creatures (I think they changed this?), so you could shoot at one and the others would not attack. However, the bulls would make false charges that we would often mistake for a real attack and we would shoot at the thing and it would stomp us all into the ground.
I know I've seen this false charge in other non-pack creatures as well. So I guess that cover my rhino example, the charge but no attack accompanied with a "?"
They will do this to other creatures as well. I know I've been happy to see something else run over to the creature I'm attacking and seemingly help me out... only to wander off a few seconds later.
Those big cats out onthe plains in Naboo do it all the time. Love it as they con red to me, so will be out working a herd of kaadu or trying to drag a faamba onto some storm troopers / RSF to get their firepower to drag the big brute down, cat charges up, does a ! at me, then wanders off.
Love it. They're cute.
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