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Thread: Ranger business idea
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Oreet
Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:11 am
#1
i've seen lots of mineral shops that advertise that they sell ALL minerals for 2 cpu. no matter what the stats are (good or bad) they ALWAYS sell their minerals for that price.
i was wondering, what do my fellow rangers think of an idea like this for Harvestable Creature Resources?
i was thinking i'd pick up enough artisan to have a vendor, then put any and ALL organics i can get my grubby Rodian hands on, and sell ALL of it for a set price (like 2-4 cpu) this set price would be set in stone. i would sell even the best meat on the server for this set price, but i would also sell the worst stuff on the server for this price.
one reason behind this idea is that i am also a politician of a small 2 month old town, and i was thinking that a vendor like this in town would definitly generate a TON of traffic to the city. another reason is to give starting, and established crafters an equal playing field when buying organics, because the new crafters won't be outbid by the established guys.
so what do you guys think? good idea? bad idea? no opinion at all? am i completely off my rocker? or only half-way there?
or, should i sell most organics for the set price, and then sell the REALLY good stuff for a slightly higher price, like 10cpu or so?
Nemo0
Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:30 am
#2
If you sell the stuff too low, you will have people reselling it. You might want to put samples up on the vendor, saying to contact you if they are interested in buying some (with the caveat that they have to show you a profession tag that shows that they can use it for themselves).
AgonThalia
Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:57 am
#3
I actually did this...
I started the LRC, Lowca Ranger Consortium... I worked my way up to master merchant, placed the vendors, bought from rangers all of their organic loot and resources at 4 cpu...
I then sold the grind for 6 cpu for +2 cpu for vendor/ house maintenance.
The business went really well... so well, that I couldnt keep anything over 1000 units in stock. I had 6 vendors
1 meat
1 hide
1 bone
1 inorganic
1 organic loot
1 elite resources
The elite resources went from 20-100 cpu. And I bought a lot of stuff from Lowca's rangers. Unfortunately, with the merchant changes, I was no longer able to add stuff and I could no longer stock the vendors.
This led to the demise of the LRC. The rangers involved, B'en, Rexornal, Ehope... and several others were absolutely wonderful in providing me some great stuff to sell.
Everyone from the Chosen Guild to the Goon guild sent me emails and tells saying that what the lowca rangers were doing was essential and a great idea.
Some things that I learned were
1: kliknik glands/ kimo scales/ rancor bile rarely sold if at all.
2: I bought anything over 100 units, and they almost never sold
3: The first things to go were the stacks of 5k or more
4: You will get flooded with tells asking you to send your rangers to get 200k of any hot item
(I started with the idea that the rangers did what they did, collected what they wanted to collect and I did not want them to have a "job")
5: The time spent stocking and organizing was a daily routine
However, it was a great experience, and i still talk/ hunt with my new ranger buddies.
(do a search on LRC or Lowca Ranger Consortium and you will find out more about what happened.)
Coprolite
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:51 am
#5
Oreet,
I will respectfully decline that idea. Why would I give up 1million credit payday for a 20K one? People arent going to buy crap resources for anything other than grinding, then they will still pay 3-10 CPU for that depending on specific resource. I dont know about you, but I spend alot of credits on armour, weapons, buffs, various foods etc. All of this expense ingame means I have to turn a profit when I sell the resources that I have spent hours aquiring. You dont think Docs are going to start giving away those buffs? They pay 100cpu for the top avain then they turn around and make 10 to 100 times that from the sale of buffs. Its capitalism and the prices will rise and lower to what the market can bear, as well as insuring the highest quality stuff for those who can afford it. I salute your utopian attitude, but no thanks :-) I prefer to be "rich".
Coprolite
"let them eat cake, especially if cake requires 100cpu endorian insect meat"
I will respectfully decline that idea. Why would I give up 1million credit payday for a 20K one? People arent going to buy crap resources for anything other than grinding, then they will still pay 3-10 CPU for that depending on specific resource. I dont know about you, but I spend alot of credits on armour, weapons, buffs, various foods etc. All of this expense ingame means I have to turn a profit when I sell the resources that I have spent hours aquiring. You dont think Docs are going to start giving away those buffs? They pay 100cpu for the top avain then they turn around and make 10 to 100 times that from the sale of buffs. Its capitalism and the prices will rise and lower to what the market can bear, as well as insuring the highest quality stuff for those who can afford it. I salute your utopian attitude, but no thanks :-) I prefer to be "rich".
Coprolite
"let them eat cake, especially if cake requires 100cpu endorian insect meat"
Alila
Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:24 am
#6
no thanks.. reason for minerals/power being sold at flat prices is because they require next to no effort to harvest, just setup your harvester when a new cycle moves the resource, load it with 4 weeks of power/maintenance and pick it up when next cycle happens.. voila several hundred k of the resource and all the while you can play the game normally
where as rangers have to actively harvest the resources from critters they kill, and selectively hunt out.
therefore = ranger harvested resources are a LOT more valuable than any mineral, especially the rare kinds like really good avian or herbivore or really good wooly hide.
no thanks, i'll continue to follow the resource development and hunt the critters that yield the most profitable market (atm, hunting dantooine wooly hide on eclipse yields me 125cpu, beat that)
Vorpaks
Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:57 am
#7
I think it is a good idea. 
It would definitely be a good vendor to draw traffic intot he city. Like was said, watch out for resellers - unless you don't mind them.
One thing you will get is enough people sending you tells with requests that it will be a full time job just to keep up with those needs however, so make sure to recruit a few helpers to your cause. I give all my organics free to my guild and they still eat more than I can provide.
It would definitely be a good vendor to draw traffic intot he city. Like was said, watch out for resellers - unless you don't mind them. One thing you will get is enough people sending you tells with requests that it will be a full time job just to keep up with those needs however, so make sure to recruit a few helpers to your cause. I give all my organics free to my guild and they still eat more than I can provide.
Cambylobacter
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:47 pm
#8
To me, that's like all car manufacturers selling their vehicles for the same price.
Okay, maybe you could argue different cars have different production costs.
Well, you may have a $5 note in your pocket and a $50 note in your pocket. I dare say they both cost the same to produce. The bottom line is though, the $50 note has more value. Sure, you could offer it about to people for $2 if you like, but it is worth more.
Personally, I don't like to see anything that devalues our profession. The one real cost we have as a profession is time. I don't tend to think of my earnings as being based on "cpu" but more "cp/hour". I base my value as a Ranger to the community a a whole on the value it gets on a cp/hour. At 2 cpu, whats the most I could harvest? Say 35k of Dathomirian Carni meat? So the very most I could earn is 70k an hour?
I don't think many rangers would work for that, and I don't think many rangers would be happy to be valued so low. God forbid if people ask for Tatooine Avian. 2cpu for Tatooine Avian?
No.
The only thing that will happen if you sell all meats for 2 cpu, is you will have less money in the bank. If that doesn't matter to you , then that's cool.
DesktopSaki
Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:57 am
#9
SWG is a free-market economy, which means the longer you practice the "one-price" method, the more resellers you will have buying from you. Some vendors are just fine with this--they get what they want out of it, and they know that some people are able to buy cheap for their own use, and they're happy. They're effectively wholesalers who're open to the public.
We'll never have a set price economy, if for no other reason than there's always someone with more money willing to pay more. But if it's what you'd like to do, go for it. :>
Ehope
Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:32 pm
#10
AgonThalia wrote:
I actually did this...
I started the LRC, Lowca Ranger Consortium... I worked my way up to master merchant, placed the vendors, bought from rangers all of their organic loot and resources at 4 cpu...
I then sold the grind for 6 cpu for +2 cpu for vendor/ house maintenance.
The business went really well... so well, that I couldnt keep anything over 1000 units in stock. I had 6 vendors
1 meat
1 hide
1 bone
1 inorganic
1 organic loot
1 elite resources
The elite resources went from 20-100 cpu. And I bought a lot of stuff from Lowca's rangers. Unfortunately, with the merchant changes, I was no longer able to add stuff and I could no longer stock the vendors.
This led to the demise of the LRC. The rangers involved, B'en, Rexornal, Ehope... and several others were absolutely wonderful in providing me some great stuff to sell.
Everyone from the Chosen Guild to the Goon guild sent me emails and tells saying that what the lowca rangers were doing was essential and a great idea.
Some things that I learned were
1: kliknik glands/ kimo scales/ rancor bile rarely sold if at all.
2: I bought anything over 100 units, and they almost never sold
3: The first things to go were the stacks of 5k or more
4: You will get flooded with tells asking you to send your rangers to get 200k of any hot item
(I started with the idea that the rangers did what they did, collected what they wanted to collect and I did not want them to have a "job")
5: The time spent stocking and organizing was a daily routine
However, it was a great experience, and i still talk/ hunt with my new ranger buddies.
(do a search on LRC or Lowca Ranger Consortium and you will find out more about what happened.)
What Draknev didn't tell you was it took a great sacrifice on his behalf to make the LRC possibe. He surrenderd Master Ranger to obtain Master Merchant. Spent countless hours sorting and organizing resources, keeping the Rangers informed and at the same time....skilling Ranger again.
It takes a person of this magnitude to make a business similar to the LRC more than a post on a page.
I can never say enough good things about Drak. Trust, honor, dedication. I am proud to call him friend. /salute
Landorien
Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:35 pm
#11
Nah, wouldn't work for most of the reasons stated elsewhere here.
Another thing that might howeverbe cool would beto make "lottery vendors".
Make unmarked packages filled with organics, some average and some top quality all at the same price.
Naturally most ofit wouldn't be verygrand, but if people were born under lucky stars they might make a nice bargain, and you might too because people that play mmorpgs have an uncanny tendency to turn into addicted gamblers.
Message Edited by Landorien on 09-18-2004 10:36 PM
AgonThalia
Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:02 am
#13
Ehope wrote:
What Draknev didn't tell you was it took a great sacrifice on his behalf to make the LRC possibe. He surrenderd Master Ranger to obtain Master Merchant. Spent countless hours sorting and organizing resources, keeping the Rangers informed and at the same time....skilling Ranger again.
It takes a person of this magnitude to make a business similar to the LRC more than a post on a page.
I can never say enough good things about Drak. Trust, honor, dedication. I am proud to call him friend. /salute
/blush
uh, thanks... Ehope just proved my point, while inevitably the LRC failed due to game mechanics and changes, it was the relationships and friendships formed in creating the business that made it worth it
thanks Ehope... right back at you
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