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Thread: Ranger Cammps and Faction Perks...........
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Merrix1
Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:55 pm
#1
First off let me say that I just recently joined the ranger professsion and for the most part am I enjoying it. Its nice being one of rare but actually really useful classes out there.
I discovered something that really made me angry today. A few days ago I discovered that when I was a declared member of the "special forces" I got the option to purchase faction perks inside my field base camps (dont have access to the high tech ones yet) The listed prices were cheaper than pretty much anywhere in the galaxy (23k for a SF imperial outpost) However when I finally decided to use the option and buy something I ran accros a rather unwelcome surprise.
The Terminals LIE!
I had the tent setup outside of kaadara naboo and decided to buy some stormtrooper armor boots (listed at 2300 faction) but when I bought them I lost not 2300 but 3450 faction points! I rananother test on Endor and had the same results (the prices were listed incorrectly) I was aware that Rangers were largely ignored by the developers but lied too??????
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:03 am
#2
I'll be able to check this in TC in about an hour (if TC-Ahazi survived the weekend, that is).
The terminal 'should' be getting it's pricing info from the same database as all other faction terms and reporting it as such. But that looks as if a set price comes form the DB and is then modified by the term somehow. Odd.
The terminal 'should' be getting it's pricing info from the same database as all other faction terms and reporting it as such. But that looks as if a set price comes form the DB and is then modified by the term somehow. Odd.
Oculus
Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:45 am
#3
Hmmm
You wouldn't happen to be Zabrak would you?
They suffer a x1.5 penalty on Imperial faction perks.
2300 x 1.5 = 3450
You wouldn't happen to be Zabrak would you?
They suffer a x1.5 penalty on Imperial faction perks.
2300 x 1.5 = 3450
Oku Kee'lus
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:48 am
#4
Oculus wrote:
Hmmm
You wouldn't happen to be Zabrak would you?
They suffer a x1.5 penalty on Imperial faction perks.
2300 x 1.5 = 3450
Ah, thats a possibility.
But...Just tried it with a twi'lek, here's the figures.
From a faction recruiter in the base outside Espa: (No cost modifier)
Small Turret, listed 4500, charged 4500
ST Boots, listed 4500, charged 4500
From the terminal in HTFB: (Cost modifier 14%)
Small Turret, listed 3450, charged 5175
ST Boots, listed 3450, charged 5175
That is of course, cost x 1.5 So racial modifiers are being applied in-camp but not at recruiters?
Need to check this with a current publish Live character to see if its a bug that's been introduced or if it's something that's been ingame since... 'before'.
Right, what can I do with two small turrets and four boots...
*** Figures for a Human Character (No racial mods)
From a faction recruiter outside Theed SP: (No cost modifier)
Small Turret, listed 3000, charged 3000
ST Boots, listed 3000, charged 3000
From the terminal in HTFB: (Cost modifier 14%)
Small Turret, listed 2300, charged 3450
ST Boots, listed 2300, charged 3450
So there's a 1.5X modifier on the quoted HTFB price, regardless of species.
Message Edited by Almagill on 03-07-2005 01:01 PM
Message Edited by Almagill on 03-07-2005 01:17 PM
darmokVtS
Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:45 am
#5
Almagill wrote:
So racial modifiers are being applied in-camp but not at recruiters?
Need to check this with a current publish Live character to see if its a bug that's been introduced or if it's something that's been ingame since... 'before'.
Right, what can I do with two small turrets and four boots...
No, the camp obviously shows and charges the wrong price. I personally think it still bases on the old non-gcw-standing effected prices (2300 faction for a pair of stormie armor boots does "ring a bell" from old days), a simple check would be to check the price on a different planet with a different GCW standing, if the price doesn't change my theory is still correct. From my understanding the term then adds the 1.5x factor because of buying in a camp, but this was always so when buying in a camp IIRC?
The recruiter shows always the correct current price *INCLUDING* racial penalties, the effect of the current GCW standing on the specific planet and eventual discounts (smuggler), this system works as intended as I have noticed mutilple times (yes, also after the GCW revamp) and I had quite some 'data' to base this on as I since the GCW revamp "transferred" about 500k faction points in total with my smuggler alt, buying bases for people and buying/delegating fp for rank and faction pets.
Message Edited by darmokVtS on 03-07-2005 01:54 PM
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:15 am
#6
darmokVtS wrote:
Almagill wrote:
So racial modifiers are being applied in-camp but not at recruiters?
Need to check this with a current publish Live character to see if its a bug that's been introduced or if it's something that's been ingame since... 'before'.
Right, what can I do with two small turrets and four boots...
No, the camp obviously shows and charges the wrong price. I personally think it still bases on the old non-gcw-standing effected prices (2300 faction for a pair of stormie armor boots does "ring a bell" from old days), a simple check would be to check the price on a different planet with a different GCW standing, if the price doesn't change my theory is still correct. From my understanding the term then adds the 1.5x factor because of buying in a camp, but this was always so when buying in a camp IIRC?
The recruiter shows always the correct current price *INCLUDING* racial penalties, the effect of the current GCW standing on the specific planet and eventual discounts (smuggler), this system works as intended as I have noticed mutilple times (yes, also after the GCW revamp) and I had quite some 'data' to base this on as I since the GCW revamp "transferred" about 500k faction points in total with my smuggler alt, buying bases for people and buying/delegating fp for rank and faction pets.Message Edited by darmokVtS on 03-07-2005 01:54 PM
Ah, so that'd be about right then?
Twi'lek, zabrak, etc
ST Boots (base price for a human buying at a recruiter) 2300
PLUS racial mod (base x 1.5) 3450
PLUS HTFB mod ( X 1.5) 5175
Human
ST Boots (base price for a human buying at a recruiter) 2300
PLUS HTFB mod ( X 1.5) 3450
Still trying to figure out what this 14% price modifier listed on the dialogue box on the HTFB requisition screen is though...
darmokVtS
Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:22 am
#7
Ah, so that'd be about right then?
Twi'lek, zabrak, etc
ST Boots (base price for a human buying at a recruiter) 2300
PLUS racial mod (base x 1.5) 3450
PLUS HTFB mod ( X 1.5) 5175
Human
ST Boots (base price for a human buying at a recruiter) 2300
PLUS HTFB mod ( X 1.5) 3450
I don't think so, as I said already the "listed" price at the camp terminal sounds A LOT like the pre-gcw revamp "fixed price" ignoring the GCW standing influence on faction perk cost (and this influence is *huge*
depending how much one sides leads). Plop down a camp on a different planet with a different GCW standing and check the displayed price, it's quite likely unchanged (and bugged then).
Can't check this myself for now tho as I am at work
.Explanation about pre-gcw revamp / post-gcw revamp faction perk prices: With the recent GCW revamp a change to faction perk costs has been introduced, the losing side gets cheaper faction perk, the worse the standing the cheaper the perks, this is however *only* based on the planet you currently check the prices, a different planet with a different standing will result in different prices at the recruiter (but probably not in a camp, as it apparently shows still the non-standing influenced prices as it looks to me)
Message Edited by darmokVtS on 03-07-2005 02:28 PM
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:40 am
#8
Those are the prices I've collected this morning by having a ST Twi'lek and an SF human purchase the same items from the different recruiters. Repeated it on both Naboo and Tat (currently both planets are Imperial) It looks like the 1.5 racial mod and the 1.5 'camp' mod apply. Leastwise it explains the figures.
Might go back over and see what difference I get with a Rebels...
I don't have a SF Master Ranger on Live atm, so can't check that these are the same sort of figures that are currently ingame, but I suspect that they are. In short, I don't think we've got a bug, just we've not realised how heavy the penalties are for not being human.
(Am I right that there are heavier mods for wookiee or some other species?)
Might go back over and see what difference I get with a Rebels...
I don't have a SF Master Ranger on Live atm, so can't check that these are the same sort of figures that are currently ingame, but I suspect that they are. In short, I don't think we've got a bug, just we've not realised how heavy the penalties are for not being human.
(Am I right that there are heavier mods for wookiee or some other species?)
darmokVtS
Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:51 am
#9
Almagill wrote:
Repeated it on both Naboo and Tat (currently both planets are Imperial)
Did you get the *exact same* price displayed in a camp on Tatooine and Naboo? As not only "who controls" reflects on the score but the *exact* standing should determine the faction perk price (and 125:50 compared to 120:50 *does* make a difference) the fact that you got the same prices on both planets strongly indicates that it IS broken in the way that it looks broken to me (as it is very unlikely that the standing is 100% identical on the two planets).
Decent testdata gathered from two planets also needs the current *exact* GCW Standing on those two planets (the recruiters give info about the exact score).
Guess I'll have to check when I am home but that still takes way too long
.Message Edited by darmokVtS on 03-07-2005 02:52 PM
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:04 am
#10
darmokVtS wrote:
Almagill wrote:
Repeated it on both Naboo and Tat (currently both planets are Imperial)
Did you get the *exact same* price displayed in a camp on Tatooine and Naboo? As not only "who controls" reflects on the score but the *exact* standing should determine the faction perk price (and 125:50 compared to 120:50 *does* make a difference) the fact that you got the same prices on both planets strongly indicates that it IS broken in the way that it looks broken to me (as it is very unlikely that the standing is 100% identical on the two planets).
Decent testdata gathered from two planets also needs the current *exact* GCW Standing on those two planets (the recruiters give info about the exact score).
Guess I'll have to check when I am home but that still takes way too longMessage Edited by darmokVtS on 03-07-2005 02:52 PM
Going back round to double check that.
Message Edited by Almagill on 03-07-2005 02:06 PM
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:17 am
#11
Created two characters on TC-Ahazi, CloneA and CloneB.
CloneA is MR/MRM, human male, Imperial SF
CloneB is MR/MRM, twi'lek male, Imperial SF
Loaded both with Imperial faction from the CBT (blue frogs) then purchased a pair of ST boots and a small dish turret (checking both equipment and structure pricing) from a faction recruiter (FR) and the Requisition option on the control panel of a HTFB. Purchases were made at Mos Espa, Tatooine and Theed, Naboo.
Human Twi'lek
Listed ChargedListedCharged
Tatooine FR Boots 3000 3000 4500 4500
Dish Turret 3000 3000 4500 4500
HTFB Boots230034503450 5175
Dish Turret 230034503450 5175
Imp:Reb
561:174
(3.2:1)
Human Twi'lek
Listed ChargedListedCharged
Naboo FR Boots 3000 3000 4500 4500
Dish Turret 3000 3000 4500 4500
HTFB Boots230034503450 5175
Dish Turret 230034503450 5175
Imp:Reb
459:377
(1.2:1)
1. The species modifier applies to all purchases and is 1.5 of the human price for twi'lek
2. Items in camps are LISTED at 76.6% of the FR price but are charged at a higher rate (price*1.5)
3. Currently (and this is TC data so modifiers may be turned off/altered in some way OR broke) the GCW modifier does not seem to apply, unless it is applied as a flat rate to whichever side is in control as opposed to a sliding scale related to degree of control.
4. Requisition screen in HTFB lists a price modifier of 14%. Is this just an 'artifact' or is the price modifier in there somehow??
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:18 am
#12
Try it with a field base as well....you CAN requisition from a FB, can't you?
Almagill
Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:26 am
#13
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Try it with a field base as well....you CAN requisition from a FB, can't you?
Yup, you can. Same prices, same mystery 14% modifier.
Well, just need to find a Rebel controlled planet and see how that affects things... /gulp
*** and no, before anyone asks, you can't do it with any other camps ***
Message Edited by Almagill on 03-07-2005 06:28 PM
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