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I'm going to try this again because I think my last post was too long.. hehe

- I believe that Wayfaring should include Tracking (area and the new single tracking). Why? Well wayfaring includes the study of the planet surface and environment, which tracking could easily fall under.

- By moving tracking to wayfaring, it will have a result of lessening the amount of advanced harvesters because Bounty Hunters who took the Tracking line will move to the Wayfaring line, which will be more beneficial to them with better movement, moreso than better harvesting. BH's shouldn't be anymore powerful in PvE, than they already are, and not better than us too.

- With less advanced harvesters, perhaps the devs will be more incline to allow Master Rangers to harvest more than one resource from a corpse (as suggested in the Ranger report)

- With tracking out of the Tracking line, the line should go back to Field Bioscience and primarily be our major Hunting line (with the help of trapping line as well)

- Field Bioscience's Creature to Hit bonus should be more powerful and really help make us better in PvE

- Field Bioscience should have the new proposed skill of sampling corpses so we can see the quality and quantity of bones, meat and hide prior to harvesting.

- Multiple resource harvesting should have a minor penalty for taking more than one resource and should have a small chance to lose resources as well to add a little risk and control the flow of resources a little better.

I truely believe this is how the two lines should be set up and will make both lines much stronger than they currently are.

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i added my coments too your first post

Sel'inar
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Japhy

You wanted feedback , so here my opinion. Bro, i think waht you are proposing is simply not advisable to do. Let me explain you why:

IF TRACKING IS MOVED TO WAYFARING SKILL TREE, THEN CONCEAL WILL NEVER, HEAR ME WELL, NEEEEVEEEER BE UPGRADED AS WE WANT IT TO BE UPGRADED!! WHICH IS OF COURSE TO BE ABLE TO USE CONCEAL FOR PVP PURPOSES!!!!!!

Let me explain you this further. First, keep in mind that by replying like this my intention is not to falme or to offend you or anything. You have an idea that will appeal a lot to Bounty hunters ( i assume you are one, if i;m wrong then its ok, im wrong) but sadly, i want to be emphatic that such change MUST NOT be applied because of terrible consequeneces for us Rangers, the ones who want to be master and are not that interested in bounty hunting or being great in PVP.

Le me explain myself. I will try to be as explicative as i can for you to understand why i think you should drop that idea. Again, pleso dont take offense, pleaso don;t im not flaming, it;s just that when you suggest such idea you are skipping varios important factors, which are reasons why i dont see yourr suggestions as a positive change. The reasons are the following:

- Keep in mind that the devs don't want to make classes TOO powerful, their constant likeness for nerfs is an exmaple of that. If tracking is moved to wayfaring tree, this will make whoever dabble in that area too powerfull. I will explain you in the next reason why it will make it too powerfull. But the real problem is not that makeing people powerful, i really don;t care less if other professions ar emore powerful than me cause i have fun enjoying the game asI am and i have no desire to be the meanest or baddest killer in the game. If
Commandos, Bounty hunters or CH kick ass, i think its great, good for them for have chosen carrers that mekt hem powerfull. But even though its alright with me, you should be aware that making classes more powerfull IS NOT ALRIGHT with the devs. I im writing this for you to make clear that if i am strongly against your idea its not because i dont want you or other class whatsoever to be more powerful. Its just that by doing so rangersw will become handicapped in two different ways, as following. The following first way is not that important, but the second following result im about to explain IS really important and it;s the prime reason why i ama gainst your ideas.

- I agree that we should harvest more and have higher creature to hit bonus. But you must also take into consideration that many rangers are expecting to also use the camouflaging skills to have an extra cas source, as soon as como kits work well will may be able to charge little fees for camouflaging people. If tacking is moved int to wayfaring, it will make such skill line SOOO appealing that just lotsa people will take that skill thus stripping renagers of their uniqueness to comouflage. I just can see it, thousands of bounty hunters camouflaging players, ANYWAY THIS IS NOT THAT A BIG ISSUE, but it is a lesser issue the fact that the poplarity of camo kits will make us unable to have an extra income.

- But, the REAL BIG ISSUE, THE PRIME BIG ISSUE OF WHY TRACKING SHOULD NOT BE MOVED TO WAYFARING IS BECAUSE IT WILL PREVENT CONCEAL TO BE GRANTED A PVP ABILITY FOR US RANGERS. You might be aware that in our request list, the wishlist Nrass is efficiently manging, there is a request to use conceal for PVP. The devs already said that they don't wantto have griefing problems with silent invisible and stealthy stalker assasinsappearing out of nowhere and killing players on PVP, so, now but our request is directed to be able tobe concealed on players while prone and standing still, freezing no movementand not attacking. If we move or attackthe player will spot us. If its applied this way, the its feasible that the devs may grant us to use conceal on PVP cause it will limit a lot the power of using conceal and creating griefing problems, it will relgate it for recon or spying on enemy PA or faction movements, not that much for stealthy assasination.. Would you like to have this ability? I guess you just cant say no to have conceal this way. In particular, i want this ability real bad. It will be the coolest thing to happen to us rangers. It will let us be intel agents, sending reports to ourcomrades of movement of enemys.SO THE BASIC PROBLEM OF YOUR SUGGESTION AS THAT IF APPLIED, THIS REQUESTED CONCEAL CHANGE WILL NEVER EVERHAPPEN!!!!!!!!! I will explain you whi it wont happen with an example: You might already be awa

Japhy

You wanted feedback , so here my opinion. Bro, i think waht you are proposing is simply not advisable to do. Let me explain you why:

IF TRACKING IS MOVED TO WAYFARING SKILL TREE, THEN CONCEAL WILL NEVER, HEAR ME WELL, NEEEEVEEEER BE UPGRADED AS WE WANT IT TO BE UPGRADED!! WHICH IS OF COURSE TO BE ABLE TO USE CONCEAL FOR PVP PURPOSES!!!!!!

Let me explain you this further. First, keep in mind that by replying like this my intention is not to falme or to offend you or anything. You have an idea that will appeal a lot to Bounty hunters ( i assume you are one, if i;m wrong then its ok, im wrong) but sadly, i want to be emphatic that such change MUST NOT be applied because of terrible consequeneces for us Rangers, the ones who want to be master and are not that interested in bounty hunting or being great in PVP.

Le me explain myself. I will try to be as explicative as i can for you to understand why i think you should drop that idea. Again, pleso dont take offense, pleaso don;t im not flaming, it;s just that when you suggest such idea you are skipping varios important factors, which are reasons why i dont see yourr suggestions as a positive change. The reasons are the following:

- Keep in mind that the devs don't want to make classes TOO powerful, their constant likeness for nerfs is an exmaple of that. If tracking is moved to wayfaring tree, this will make whoever dabble in that area too powerfull. I will explain you in the next reason why it will make it too powerfull. But the real problem is not that makeing people powerful, i really don;t care less if other professions ar emore powerful than me cause i have fun enjoying the game asI am and i have no desire to be the meanest or baddest killer in the game. If
Commandos, Bounty hunters or CH kick ass, i think its great, good for them for have chosen carrers that mekt hem powerfull. But even though its alright with me, you should be aware that making classes more powerfull IS NOT ALRIGHT with the devs. I im writing this for you to make clear that if i am strongly against your idea its not because i dont want you or other class whatsoever to be more powerful. Its just that by doing so rangersw will become handicapped in two different ways, as following. The following first way is not that important, but the second following result im about to explain IS really important and it;s the prime reason why i ama gainst your ideas.

- I agree that we should harvest more and have higher creature to hit bonus. But you must also take into consideration that many rangers are expecting to also use the camouflaging skills to have an extra cas source, as soon as como kits work well will may be able to charge little fees for camouflaging people. If tacking is moved int to wayfaring, it will make such skill line SOOO appealing that just lotsa people will take that skill thus stripping renagers of their uniqueness to comouflage. I just can see it, thousands of bounty hunters camouflaging players, ANYWAY THIS IS NOT THAT A BIG ISSUE, but it is a lesser issue the fact that the poplarity of camo kits will make us unable to have an extra income.

- But, the REAL BIG ISSUE, THE PRIME BIG ISSUE OF WHY TRACKING SHOULD NOT BE MOVED TO WAYFARING IS BECAUSE IT WILL PREVENT CONCEAL TO BE GRANTED A PVP ABILITY FOR US RANGERS. You might be aware that in our request list, the wishlist Nrass is efficiently manging, there is a request to use conceal for PVP. The devs already said that they don't wantto have griefing problems with silent invisible and stealthy stalker assasinsappearing out of nowhere and killing players on PVP, so, now but our request is directed to be able tobe concealed on players while prone and standing still, freezing no movementand not attacking. If we move or attackthe player will spot us. If its applied this way, the its feasible that the devs may grant us to use conceal on PVP cause it will limit a lot the power of using conceal and creating griefing problems, it will relgate it for recon or spying on enemy PA or faction movements, not that much for stealthy assasination.. Would you like to have this ability? I guess you just cant say no to have conceal this way. In particular, i want this ability real bad. It will be the coolest thing to happen to us rangers. It will let us be intel agents, sending reports to ourcomrades of movement of enemys.SO THE BASIC PROBLEM OF YOUR SUGGESTION AS THAT IF APPLIED, THIS REQUESTED CONCEAL CHANGE WILL NEVER EVERHAPPEN!!!!!!!!!

I will explain you whi it wont happenwith an example:

Lets say that you suggestion is taken into effect and applied, so since the skill line becomes SOOO appealing, master ubers would love to take it. Lets say a Master Bounty Hunter or Master Commando decides to take this skill tree,with just a handfull of skill pointsthey get terrain negotiation, burst away efficiently, camouflage himself and track players. Do you think that the devs would allow that such a player be able to track a player, conceal himself so the player-prey doesnt see him around, the when the player come to the right place BAM , he throws a proton grenade or a master BH attack to the prey while unaware killing it in two shots (maybe in one), and then while incapped the preys friends try to go after the now unconcelaed player but since he has huge terran negotians and burst run, he can just outrun the entire group by bursting ( whith vwery low ham costs, so added wirh wahtever enemy fire he received it wont kill him to burst run) and intellingltu going up slopes to outrun the chasing. Such a guy would be a formidable assasin, wouldnt it?. Sure it will, sure you want this to happen, But theres a problem:

devs

SORRY, ACCIDENTLY PRESSED SPACE, i will continue where i left :

This would be a formidable assisn, wpouldnt it? sure it will. sure it will be cool, the problem is :

DEVS WILL NEVER EVER LET SUCH FORMIDABLE FIREPOWER AS THAT OF A COMMANDO OR MASTER BH TO BE ABLE TO CONCEAL AND TRACK PLAYERS AND BURST RUN AND HAVE TERRAIN NEGOTIATION. THEY JUST WON LET IT CAUSE IT WIL CAUSE TO MUCH GRIEFING PROBLEMS AND MAKE THEM TOO POWERFUL.

SO SINCE THEY WONT LET SUCH POWERFUL ASSASINS RUNNING AROUND, THEN THE RESULT IS EASY TO EXPECT:

CONCEAL WILL NEVER EVER BECOME A PVP USABLE SKILL.

So this is the prime reason why i am against it. Insted of asking for putting tracking and wayfaring togehter, we sould let them stay where they so taht way, being ble to conceal for PVP purposes will be more feasible, we would have a greater chance to get conceal to PVP cause it will mean that if a player wants to track down other pleyer and conceal to them as well he will need so much skill points that will result in him having less firepower, or no medic skills or any other thing that will make him too powerful.

So, in result we must leave things as they are, and continue asking for conceal for PVP AND greater harvesting bunus and creature to hit.

This is my humble opinion. You wanted feedback so here it is. As i sais i didnt write this to flame or anything, i mjust writing tou point oit why your suggestion would have terrble consequences for us rangers. Hope you understand the spirit of this reply, its not to offend or go against you, its just my opinion. if it made you change your mind , GREAT, if ti didn, well its okey too. I respect your way of thinking. Hope you repct mine too.

Eter

Naritus Carbinerr/medic/Ranger

SORRY FOR ALL THE TYPOS!!! I AM AWARE I MADE A LOT FO MISTAKES WRITING, ITS JUST THAT I WROTE THE MESSAGE IN A HURRY.

SORRY FOR MY BAD WRITING.

UPS!!! AND ALSO AFTER I READ THE FINAL LINR OF THE POST I AM NOW AWARE THAT YOU ARE APISTOLEER AND NOT A BH. SORRY,I WAS INDEED WRONG. SORRY FOR MISJUDGING YOU.

Eter

Ether - I was surprised to see 5 replies, to what I thought was a dead proposal.. To my surprise it was one person doing the posting.. hehe.

You make some good points, but I would also tell you that BH's are already the most power class in the game, and to make them more powerful by also ruling PvE and being better at than a Master Rangeris a real power trip.

I know people want stealth, but I don't see the devs adding that into the game at any cost. If they were to put it in our wayfaring line, then more than likely BH's and many others will take that line regardless over tracking because they still have their droids.

As far as your point to losing business with camoflaging other people, I'd rather lose that business (which many rangers will do for free 95% of the time) than to lose business competing with more harvesters.. and harvesters who can hunt better than we can.

No flame or disrespect was in your post at all and I hope you found me to be as cordial as well. Just a healthy debate between folks who care about their chosen professions.