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Calculus_Entropy

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:04 pm

The statement that 2 Master Rangers in a group can get more than 100% of a harvest from a critter...

I have always thought something was screwy with this statement. My thinking is that people think that 2 Master Rangers get 120% of a creatures resources. But at the same time, each ranger is still only getting 60%. But isn't it true for 2 of any people in a group that can harvest? 2 novice scouts can harvest 120% of the resoruce. Is it assumed with a MR harvesting mod that they get 100% of the meat you can get from an animal? If so, then do I as a MR and leezard get moremeat than an animal hassince I have a +110 mod? I just can't seem to reconcile the idea in my head that we can get more meat than what is there, but that is what is implied by the statement. I see it as getting more meat than what someone less trained would get, but not more than what is there.

Calculus Entropy
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Fred_Skinner

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:33 pm

#2

ok, lets go slowly here.

solo: 50 hides (2 scouts or 2 ranger, same thing)

2: 50 * .6 = 30 hides, total = 30 * 2 = 60 hides
3: 50 * .6 = 30 hides, total = 30 *3 = 90 hides

more is better.

lets say we got a Scout (b) in the mix

solo - a:50 hides, b:39 hides

a: 50 * .6 = 30 hides
b: 39 * .6 = 23 hides

total: 53 hides

more is still better. Note, if solo a scout gets 34 (68% of a MR) this is break even. You add another Scout makes thisto be 17 to break even. I have never seen this much difference in practice and usually the (+/10)% which is 11% from Novice Scout to MR so harvesting 50 for a ranger would be 44 for a Scout, but someone should experiment with this to verify. Remember, adding more always ups this. In a hunt on Dathimir me and the boys was sucking 750 or more boneper Rancor collectively. This is why we group harvest .

Frederick Skinner
Antarian Ranger, Ranger(0030), Master Rifleman, CH(4214)
Ranger is not a profession. It's a lifestyle.

JBMat

Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:41 pm

#3

The whole more harvesters the better hinges on the fact that the "total" harvest is higher,

A Master Ranger gets more alone than grouped. We all know that. Two Master Rangers hunting together, ungrouped, get 1 slice of the 100% pie, as only one can harvest. Grouped, they get two slices of the same pie, but at 60% per slice, adding up to 120%. Each individual loses 40%, but the group gains 20%. Yeah, it's silly math, and ultimately Fred and Calc are both correct in their own reasoning.

Now, who shares? I don't, well not much, only rarely. However, in a true socialist manner, I will group to harvest. I am usually the only MR there and I get more than anyone anyhow. And laff. XP is a thing of the past, unless I change weapons. So I am out for the cash and the harvest. And 4 people, with 8 missions, means more cash, less work, decent harvest.

And the new chef foods will only further skew the numbers. Wonder if they work on our 60% grouped as well?

Food for thought (pun intended),

JB

chile76

Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:55 pm

#4

Yep exactly why we hunt in groups and invite others to hunt with us. If we have contracts we offer to buy their harvests for use on our own. Frederick pays 1-2 cpu less than what he is selling for. Most people jump at that oportunity.

But this is only for large harvests. Try doing this with durnis. Not going to work.

We are the anti-social ranger who gets his best harvests by socializing.

Caiden Appentice

Antarian Ranger Master Ranger/ Master Swordsman

The only person who can make fun of me better than I can myself is a fellow ranger.

Calculus_Entropy

Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:23 pm

#5

It is not the math i have a problem with..it is the theory. I know that if I harvest 60 and my friend harvests 60 that equals morethan the 100 I get by myself. But what I don't get is why some people believe that the animal only had 100 to begin with....I guess that is putting it a little more clearly.

*Edit* I started this reply prior to JB's and he gave me more of an answer that I was looking for. It really only works when one is sharing...So, the wording of the statement is all I have an ussue with.

Message Edited by Calculus_Entropy on 02-10-2004 05:26 PM

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

chile76

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:09 pm

#6

If I am understanding what you are saying correctly yes you understand the math of the harvest but the words don't make sense.

Yeah how can you get 120% out of 100% of a physical item unless it grows new meat while you harvest.

Well maybe it works like this: We can't harvest all of the animal by ourself no matter what level we are at thus allowing for higher group harvests. Because if I recall correctly I was in a very large group once. Larger than what we normally hunt with. We were able to harvest a few animals before the group go stupid (that is a whole different story that includes noobs and 2 red con dark force singing clansmen and friends). But we did cap out. Where some people could not harvest.

Thus we logically equate 100% harvest to a master ranger when in fact it is only part like 20% of an actual whole. Since SWG is so group oriented they have focused the harvests towards grouping and not care about soloist. If true is this fair to the ranger?

Or if the latter is true and we are harvesting over 100% as a group then when will the nerf come?

Just a little logic I thought of. Been thinking every time the conversation comes up. Nraas, any thoughts or knowledge?

Caiden Appentice

Antarian Ranger Master Ranger/ Master Swordsman

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NRaas

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:53 pm

#7

"it is the theory."

Aye. The way the developers set up that group harvesting bonus was truly bizarre.

With 20 Master Rangers in a group, you could receive 1200% of the regular harvest off a single critter.

Though... Where anyone would get 20 Rangers is beyond me.

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chile76

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:39 am

#8

Thanks for the confirmation NRaas! I am going to go out and get me 20 Master.......... OH your right what was I thinking. LOL

The most I have hunted with was 3 other Master Rangers. Wow 4 Master Rangers in one place at one time! Plus a soon to be Master if he would get through his survival.

Caiden Appentice

Antarian Ranger Maser Ranger/ Master Swordsman

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Calculus_Entropy

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:45 am

#9

So, you are telling me that we can get more hide than is on a critter?

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

chile76

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:59 am

#10

No. Solo you cannot harvest all of the animal fully. Even a Master Ranger leaves something behind. Like for example our max is harvesting 20 of said animal but the animal actually can be harvested for 200. the only way you can harvest the full 200 is to get a group of master rangers that equal out to the 200.

In other words harvests favor groups. No matter what solo you cannot harvest even all of one resources. You always leave some behind.

Caiden Appentice

Antarian Ranger Master Ranger/ Master Swordsman

The only person who can make fun of me better than I can myself is a fellow ranger.

Calculus_Entropy

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:26 pm

#11

Thank you..that is the answer I was hoping to get...I just wanted to point out that saying 2 MR in a group gets 120% of the harvest is incorrect. Now I have the dilema that each time someone harvests in a group, it does not take into account that other people are harvesting from it. Personally, I think the first person should get their mods worth of 100% of the resource. The next person should get their mods worth from what is left....Makes more sense to me. Man I can bea pain sometimes.

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

Gilmith

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:43 am

#12

There is another side to this and that is - how common is what your hunting. In the big game hunt on a tough planet the hunting party with rangers buddied upwill pay off. If you hunting nuna's on Tat (avian) or Rori avian for that matter (small drops from less common creatures) your better off breaking up and spreading out to find the spawns. Travel time and spawn locating are the deal breakers. With rare easy to kill spawns spreading out pays.

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Rhyeal

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:10 am

#13

....ok..well, i sorta get the arugment, but im still going to try to find 20 MR...most i have found was 3, and that was just luck...but get an AR group together....and u might ahve something there..

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