Ranger Archive
Thread: Are we really getting a revamp?
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DesktopSaki
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:38 am
#1
I'm not being snarky, I just suddenly realized that I really don't know. We talk about the Ranger Revamp, we have threads about it, but I haven't been able to figure out if it's something we're asking for and proposing, or if it's something they said we'll get, and that the proposals are based on that. Halp?
CuchulainnDarklight
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:57 am
#3
When I first started playing a year ago, we were going to get a revamp and we did.
Trap damge was nerfed, the usefullness of camps was removed and with the advent of super buffs hunting groups disappeared.
In return we got a harvest bonus!
A ranger revamp? I will believe it when I see it! To the devs we are small proportion of the gaming populace, we are not combat-oriented, and therefore we are not worth the effort. Thats why we get little offers to keep us sweet without them doing what is needed. WOW - I can wear mandalorian armour then, great - time to go get it - oh, Im dead! Hey a harvesting bonus for a Master Ranger, nice weve just been asking for this for an eternity.
Puck_Starfire
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:05 am
#4
I've always wondered the same thing. It seems the "Ranger Revamp" posts on this board run rampant. I've seen posts from the correspondent and senior posters about their ideas of a revamp, but nothing that has any dev or SOE comment anywhere. Yes, the devs have hinted at a revamp, about as much as the Smuggler revamp (and we know all about how the devs have totally ignored the Smuggler revamp). But, I've yet to see SOE's plans or even discussion about a revamp. The threads I see here seem more like hopeful wishing than a proposed revamp from SOE. WHile I would love for some of the stuff in those threads to be put in-game, I don't see the devs paying attention to a profession that isn't "broken" anytime soon. Too much else needs to be fixed in this game, and I'll admit that Squad Leaders and Smugglers deserve a revamp well before we do.
FourthNail
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:08 am
#5
Puck_Starfire wrote:
I've always wondered the same thing. It seems the "Ranger Revamp" posts on this board run rampant. I've seen posts from the correspondent and senior posters about their ideas of a revamp, but nothing that has any dev or SOE comment anywhere. Yes, the devs have hinted at a revamp, about as much as the Smuggler revamp (and we know all about how the devs have totally ignored the Smuggler revamp). But, I've yet to see SOE's plans or even discussion about a revamp. The threads I see here seem more like hopeful wishing than a proposed revamp from SOE. WHile I would love for some of the stuff in those threads to be put in-game, I don't see the devs paying attention to a profession that isn't "broken" anytime soon. Too much else needs to be fixed in this game, and I'll admit that Squad Leaders and Smugglers deserve a revamp well before we do.
It'll be broken after the CU. THEN the yelling really begins
Plunk
Owen-Lars
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:09 am
#6
We are getting a revamp, but its after the CU. We have been forgotten about on so many occassions, but this time you have a loud mouth brit at the helm who wont take no for an answer hehe.
Yeah guys, the ranger revamp is coming. What it will entail or what it will acomplish i simply dont know, but im not willing to settle for anything less that a compete revamp. Our primary issues need a complete revamp for them to be adressed so if they dont get adressed in our revamp, ive failed, as have the dev team.
Puck_Starfire
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:17 am
#7
I'll take your word on it. But this is my thought on hopeful revamps.
Smuggler Revamp:
1 year ago: it's coming after Droid Invasion.
Last Summer: it's been pushed back to right after JTL.
Late Last Summer: we're releasing it after the GCW revamp.
1 year later and after JTL, GCW, and CU: silence.
I hope you have a really loud mouth, because the devs have a way to sweep any good idea that does not pertain to their main money-makers (ie. Jedi and combat stackers) under the rug and keep promising that "it's coming".
Smuggler Revamp:
1 year ago: it's coming after Droid Invasion.
Last Summer: it's been pushed back to right after JTL.
Late Last Summer: we're releasing it after the GCW revamp.
1 year later and after JTL, GCW, and CU: silence.
I hope you have a really loud mouth, because the devs have a way to sweep any good idea that does not pertain to their main money-makers (ie. Jedi and combat stackers) under the rug and keep promising that "it's coming".
BioEngine
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:40 am
#8
Wow, that was a double link! Someone doesn't want us to see something......
agent156 wrote:
This thread points to a recent quote that says, yes!
BioEngine
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:44 am
#9
Oh, and TH's post about "hope?"
We hope to get on it after CU goes live?
"Hope" = the can decide not to, because I hope even though I know something I'm not telling.
"Revamp" = we can nerf you if we want, and still fall within the word's definition.
Ah, the flexibility of the American Language. It's not English anymore, because "we" ignore the textbook definitions and instead make our own. This ultimately causes the breakdown of communication that has spawned from the first CU notes into angry threads on every board but the Galactic Trading Boards.
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Message Edited by BioEngine on 03-30-2005 08:27 PM
Owen-Lars
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:54 am
#10
hehe dont read too much into it, its just a figure of speach.
We hope to balance all the combat professions in the CU and make combat more fun
There are lots of comments like this so iwouldnt think more on it. He said the revamp was coming, thats all we need to know.
Jolandir
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:45 pm
#11
Owen-Lars wrote:
We are getting a revamp, but its after the CU. We have been forgotten about on so many occassions, but this time you have a loud mouth brit at the helm who wont take no for an answer hehe.
Yeah guys, the ranger revamp is coming. What it will entail or what it will acomplish i simply dont know, but im not willing to settle for anything less that a compete revamp. Our primary issues need a complete revamp for them to be adressed so if they dont get adressed in our revamp, ive failed, as have the dev team.
Owen-Lars, I have tremendous respect for you and all the coorspondants we have had, and they have tried valiently to get us up there. But I am sorry. This new CU as posted today, plain and simple does not consider us either a major combat profession, nor a major support group for the CU or GCW for that matter. We, at best are a support group to the major support groups.
Don't you think it is time to say, "Seeing is believing!". I am sorry I don't see it. I have been in this game as a ranger since about the third week after it went live, and we have been shafted every single time. They want our CU to be even better then any other MMO game, so they claim. I don't know of a single game MMO or otherwise that does not consider Ranger a major combat profession with a natural bent for nature, except this one, and this one alone. Why?
We are not a major supporter of the GCW either since we don't make anything that directly affects it. Harvest for resources is all they will let us do, and now we might technically harvest more, but we will not be able to kill anything any where near what the so called combat professions can do, so in truth why do they need us at all.
I have no doubts you are yelling and yelling louder then ever, but I have no doubts that they don't care. Again it is time for seeing is believing! And we are not seeing a thing.
Jolandir
Calculus_Entropy
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:52 pm
#12
One thing to note, I am not sure we were ever told we weren't combat oriented...we were told we 'weren't within the scope of the CU.' There is a big difference. As Owen has pointed out, we have been told that most of what we want is too large for the CU, but prime revamp material. Just think, we will have the advantage of having the new combat system be established before we get our revamp, so any changes we get will be more likely to work properly. Also, I know of a few professions who wish they WEREN'T part of the CU!!!
Owen-Lars
Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:29 pm
#13
Calc got it. There is the obvious knee jerk reaction which to be honest isnt that surpising from people once they see we are not in the CU. Like saying they think we are not a combat profession. Well we've argued this point over and over and i can say quiet honestly, everyone we have been debating with has come around in the end acknowledged our combat aspects and the opportunities we have for developing into a very effective combat class.
Like calc said, there are many professions that dont want to be a part of the cu, mainly because of either they disagree with the concepts, are pigeon holed into a role they do not like or most of the time, dont want their godly power taken away from them.
Ranger is different, ranger has issues, massive issues that lie in how the profession is placed in swg. To address those issues we do need a revamp, and the sad part is, with the CU being on the scale itis, that means we are "not within the scope of the cu". Harsh i know, but understandable.
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