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Unless someone can point me to a current ratio of progression for abilities to /harv (i.e. a scout 0= 10 hides or some such), I dont see the problem still.

If you as a Master Ranger can harvest (hypotetical number) 100 hides and the droids does 120 for you how is that a problem?

If a Master Rifleman/TKa/Novice Scout can harvest (Hypothetical number)10 hides and the droid does12 for them, how is that a problem?

(The above is a 20% increase in both templates by using a droid, note: these are hypothetical numbers, and dont know if they are close to this)

The number two "uber" template can out kill you enough to overcome the 108 hides per animal? In the same span time? I.e. in 10mins the ubber template can overcome the deficit fastenough to harvest the same amount you would in that time?That is in essence what I understand from some of these posts.

If the above is NOT true and they canNOT outkill you, then I dont believe the droid is a problem. You must then think of the droid as a harvester. With the added benefit that you have to have the skill to use it. Anyone can mine with my harvesters :/, only someone in a scout profession can use the droid. My harvesters give 100% over what I can harvest with my own hands by /sample. Everyone CAN use a +100% tool but only YOU and your scouts brothers can use THAT droid.

Give your correspondent time to test before you jump off the cliff .

(Disclaimer: the above numbers I pulled outta my arse, but are probably close, if you have concrete numbers please point me in the right direction. Thank you.)

Message Edited by RotorofCorRng on 04-13-2004 03:14 PM

Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 04-13-2004 07:24 PM

dont you mean:

Me as amaster ranger can harvest 100 and with a droid 120

you as a novice scout could harvest 60 and with a droid 72?

hehe sorry but i have to point this out lol (hypothetically of course), we are better harvesters but you're not THAT far behind

Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 04-13-2004 07:24 PM

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That is why I asked for real numbers . BTW I am not even a scout (travel biscuits are my only friend ). Are those humbers real? Yours I mean? And just for the record, before I get accused of something, I am a Master Architect, Master Rifleman, 3001 Merchant, 4004 Marksman, 4044 Artisan.

In reality, youguys need a profession revamp. I was told one only needs 4040 (or some such) in Ranger to be effective. If this is true, the profession needs a revamp, and a little droid may not help, butit wont DETRACT from your abilities. I dont know how long the Rangers have been "gimpped", but DE have been gimped just as long and the last two patches were "promised" to them. Not to mention that the "Droid Invasion" was for naught.

Message Edited by RotorofCorRng on 04-13-2004 03:37 PM

Well its widely accepted that a master ranger get aprox 30% more than a master scout so if you were a master scout it would read

Master Ranger = 100 and 120

Master Scout = 70 and 84

I was only messing with you about the harves rates. but i would say we get 60% more than vovice scouts at a total guess

Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 04-13-2004 07:41 PM

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Owen-Lars wrote:

RotorofCorRng Wrote:

If you as a Master Ranger can harvest (hypotetical number) 100 hides and the droids does 120 for you how is that a problem?

If a Master Rifleman/TKa/Novice Scout can harvest (Hypothetical number)10 hides and the droid does12 for them, how is that a problem?

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dont you mean:

Me as amaster ranger can harvest 100 and with a droid 120

you as a novice scout could harvest 60 and with a droid 72?

hehe sorry but i have to point this out lol (hypothetically of course), we are better harvesters but you're not THAT far behind

Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 04-13-2004 07:24 PM

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Ok Rotor, with the right numbers this is where the problem comes in. Say, that it takes 1 min for a TKM/novice scout to kill creature X, and then harvest 60 units. Then say that the Master Ranger/master Carbineer can kill that same creature in 2 min and harvest 100 units. Now even without the droid's help in a 10 min time span, the TKM/scout can harvest 600 units, and the Master Ranger can harvest 500 units.

If we add the 20% increase - TKM/scout can do 720, the master Ranger gets 600. Sure we get more, but so does everyone else. This is where we sit now. Not so pretty huh?

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darmokVtS wrote:

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Fred_Skinner wrote:
The "problem" is Uber Template of Death + itty bity bits of Scout out harvests us Master Rangers by volume, and they can solo. Adding a droid to increase this insult isn't a problem in itself, it just rubs salt in the wound.

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What I wanted to ask several times by now: How exactly do you think does a novice-scout-based "template" look that can actually outharvest a master ranger/master rifleman like you are and I used to be before dropping the lines of ranger that I had no use for.

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blah....slow typing.

Yeah what all these other guys said

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Calculus_Entropy wrote:That is somehtingI really want totest, butI will tell you the droid andI harvested different numbers.I don't want to post those results until I do some more testing.

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RotorofCorRng wrote:

Ok, i did some digging.

Master Ranger/Master Rifleman/Marksman 4-1-1-4 = No points left. +100 Creature Harvest.

Uberst Template

Master Rifleman/Master TKA/Marksman 4-0-0-4/Scout 0-0-4-0/Medic 2-1-0-0 = 1 pt left i think. +45 Creature Harvest.

In essence, Uberst Template can out kill you, and therefor out harvest you in 30mins time? Lets just forget the droids for a min.

I find it hard to believe, but I could be wrong.

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Believe it, and you are wrong. +55 difference has been proven to translate into only a 30% increase. I have seen this template at work. Seen it at work. They can walk up to a lair, guns blasing (SS2 is a cone attack) and follow up with sweeps as the whole pack jumps him. He then hits the lair and smacks as needed. He cleared the lair in 1 minute, 45 seconds. It takes me up to 10 minutes (and I thought I did good doing that) solo. I once asked him how much he collects and said 50k a night was typical. I do about 20k on a good night alone. Only way I can do numbers like that (50K+)is with a group... and I buy their take.

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Now Mr. Uberst goes and gets him a droid. Unless the droids harvest, atleast +25% more I dont see the gap so close. Granted I dont believe scout should be +45 unless Master, and probably you guys should get more. But I dont believe the Droid can close that gap so much as stated.

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It does not close at all, it increases. If this increase is by skill bonus, like the veg. If not, it still does not close, but it does follow through. if my harvest increases by 25% and thiers by 25% by the associative property the increase from him to me is still30% and still he kills more animals to make up for the gap.

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Now, you also buy a droid, we are back to +45/+100 ratio, the DE made some money, you get to kill and the droid does the menial task for you, you still maintain your current "ahead" ratio over Mr. Uberst. No change from current situation. A market is created to a profession which desperatly needed it. I see it as a win/win situation until the Ranger class gets revamped.

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nope, win for you, burdon for me. Now I have to buy one just to NOT be left behind... then again, I might not buy one if it is by skill mod. Then the buy is overhead and not much bonus. It's the same reason I only ever bought one case of Veghash ever (to see if it was any good) and will never buy another.

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Like I said, there is already report from a Novice Scout on TC that his droid harvested less than he did, but he liked it 'cause he had the droid doing the harvesting while he killed. So he probably came out ahead a little than doing the manual harv, but definatly not even close to a Master Ranger.

Again, watch out for what your correspondent tests out and save the cliff jumping for the "Rangers Invasion" .

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Here's how I do it...

Snipe the herd.

pop the lair.

Snipe as they pop out.

pop the lair.

Snipe the remainder

kill the lair

Harvest everything in one shot. Takes me... oh, about 15 seconds to use a macro to do that. If the droid gives me less harvest... why am I doing this again? The TKM/MRM, by the way, walks up to the lair or SS2 while going in and then hits the lair and sweeps and sweeps till9 rancor are on the ground in half the time it takes me to snipe the first 3, harvests, and moves on. If he harvests less with droidtoo... your not gonna sell him one ether.

Clear as mud? Any of this make sense to you? Btw, is there a droid made that has only CL3? would tht be MSE? I only have 3 pet levels left after Achillies is out

Ok, I see the point on the + spread.

To the other point of NOT using an aide. It would be ridiculous for me to not use a harvester and try to compete with some one using even just a personal.

Question: What happens if you have two harvesting droids out? Can they both harvest? Can you effectively double your harvest by doing this? Might be worth giving a try...