Ranger Archive
Thread: Question to Devs about Grouping & Harvesting
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pkirk25
Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:50 pm
#40
DaveG wrote:
Almagill wrote:
DaveG wrote:The other assumptions in some calculations is that if some people harvest in a group, that there will be one person at the end of the hunt getting all the resources. This should not be assumed.I understand the argument of "flooding the marke", 40% is a significant chunk. Therefore I'd propose that the group penalty is placed on a sliding scale, depending on your own harvesting skill. The closer you are to master, the less you are penalised. This would be a reasonable reward to rangers if group penalties remain.
Another assumption seems to be that everyone in a group is Master Ranger / Master Weapons.
I used to take groups of novices out, get them part of the way to being started on the right path and try and knock some of the bad habits out of their heads before they get too well wedged in there.
Else I go out in small groups with a mixed bunch of folk. Y'know, for 'fun'?
Ah well, it's all changing anyhow, so, just going to wait and see./agree.
The 20% boost, is a theoretical max in very specific circumstances. The majority of circumstances lead to a penalty.
Actually its a 20% minimum bonus in that it applies even if the person you are grouped with cannot harvest at all.
I get the feeling that people want more than 20% bonus though. I just wonder how much more than 20% is considered reasonable. As a ranger turned doctor, I suppose bigger harvest means bigger supply and thus I will pay proportionately less to scouts so look forward to see where this goes. It'll be hard on people who like to solo but that seems to be part of the point.
Almagill
Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:40 pm
#41
But again we're working on that assumption that both players/everyone in the group is at master level, either of the combat prof, the ranger prof or both. And working from mission terminals? I seem to recal them being slammed not so long ago as anathaema?
Spotted this as I read through the math... "the whole point of grouping is to get more lairs". Up to a point. Sometimes the whole point of grouping is to allow a group of players to work together, to the best of each others abilities, allowing less experienced players to learn and be trained by the more experienced etc?
All I know for sure is that I can go out for two hours, blat away like billy-O and come back with x amount of harvest, but later the same evening, on the same hunt grounds, I go grouped with two or three scouts and come back with less.
(Unless of course am the one at the end of the hunt buying in, but that is an entirely different argument. One which could just as easily go like this "I can stay in the watchhouse, send the grunts out to kill hoodads. Head off out for the evening with the Mrs, come home, log in and empty the offers of my vendor where I told them to dump it all to gether at the end of the night". But, like I say, that is a TOTALLY differnet argument)
Anyhow, I've lost track of what the question was. Says it all, really.
Spotted this as I read through the math... "the whole point of grouping is to get more lairs". Up to a point. Sometimes the whole point of grouping is to allow a group of players to work together, to the best of each others abilities, allowing less experienced players to learn and be trained by the more experienced etc?
All I know for sure is that I can go out for two hours, blat away like billy-O and come back with x amount of harvest, but later the same evening, on the same hunt grounds, I go grouped with two or three scouts and come back with less.
(Unless of course am the one at the end of the hunt buying in, but that is an entirely different argument. One which could just as easily go like this "I can stay in the watchhouse, send the grunts out to kill hoodads. Head off out for the evening with the Mrs, come home, log in and empty the offers of my vendor where I told them to dump it all to gether at the end of the night". But, like I say, that is a TOTALLY differnet argument)
Anyhow, I've lost track of what the question was. Says it all, really.
lunas
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:17 pm
#42
the issue is why do we as rangers have to accept a penalty on our abilitities when grouped, not the amount we can harvest per hr using tactics. No other profession has this issue. You ca argue back and forth about how you can harvest more per hr when grouped because you can kill things faster but again that isn't the issue. Just think about how much more you would harvest per hr without the penalty and you will finally be on topic.
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mintas
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:33 pm
#43
/agree... When I started this post my main concern was the amount we would collect when we were forced to hunt in groups after the combat rebalance. I understand where you would collect more resources as a group, and this would be great if everyone was throwing all the resources in a pot for one person, but this is just not the case. I do not think we should be able to solo high level content in game, especially rancors, but we should also not be penalized. And no matter what anybody saysthe only way you couldflood the market with to many organics is to have everyone on the server hunt for the same resource. In my 1.5 years playing meat prices have not changed, plain and simple is there is not enough of us to go around. Which in my opinion is a good thing...I like being special...
lunas wrote:
the issue is why do we as rangers have to accept a penalty on our abilitities when grouped, not the amount we can harvest per hr using tactics. No other profession has this issue. You ca argue back and forth about how you can harvest more per hr when grouped because you can kill things faster but again that isn't the issue. Just think about how much more you would harvest per hr without the penalty and you will finally be on topic.
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Almagill
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:49 pm
#44
oh yeah, remembered the other thing.
If am taking a novice or a couple of novices out, I tend to lead them to the prey, tell them what to shoot first, then stand back and let them get on with it. Blast away merrily, put down the first wave, get in there, harvest, I join in on the harvest. tap the nest, next wave, etc.
I'm only going to get 1 point of weapon XP from anything they can kill, so no point me splattering the lair to the winds, blowing the XP they could have had. I still harvest, and I still come away light as we're grouped.
Sure, I could get them buffed, suited and stick them on quenkers or off to Dath and plop them in front of a nest of rancors, but that's not teaching them to be rangers, scouts, hunters or anything but grinders.
/shrug Anyhow, I can live with the grouped penalty, it just seems inconsistent with other professions and I can't see any logical reason for it being there.
Maybe am just in the wrong profession after all.
If am taking a novice or a couple of novices out, I tend to lead them to the prey, tell them what to shoot first, then stand back and let them get on with it. Blast away merrily, put down the first wave, get in there, harvest, I join in on the harvest. tap the nest, next wave, etc.
I'm only going to get 1 point of weapon XP from anything they can kill, so no point me splattering the lair to the winds, blowing the XP they could have had. I still harvest, and I still come away light as we're grouped.
Sure, I could get them buffed, suited and stick them on quenkers or off to Dath and plop them in front of a nest of rancors, but that's not teaching them to be rangers, scouts, hunters or anything but grinders.
/shrug Anyhow, I can live with the grouped penalty, it just seems inconsistent with other professions and I can't see any logical reason for it being there.
Maybe am just in the wrong profession after all.
Serraphin
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:55 pm
#45
If the solo group nerf is as ill received as many believe then a large segment of the SWG populace is likely to pick up some level of scout, a droid, and food. Soon there may be organics a plenty without the help of any Rangers.
mintas wrote:
/agree... When I started this post my main concern was the amount we would collect when we were forced to hunt in groups after the combat rebalance. I understand where you would collect more resources as a group, and this would be great if everyone was throwing all the resources in a pot for one person, but this is just not the case. I do not think we should be able to solo high level content in game, especially rancors, but we should also not be penalized. And no matter what anybody saysthe only way you couldflood the market with to many organics is to have everyone on the server hunt for the same resource. In my 1.5 years playing meat prices have not changed, plain and simple is there is not enough of us to go around. Which in my opinion is a good thing...I like being special...
lunas wrote:
the issue is why do we as rangers have to accept a penalty on our abilitities when grouped, not the amount we can harvest per hr using tactics. No other profession has this issue. You ca argue back and forth about how you can harvest more per hr when grouped because you can kill things faster but again that isn't the issue. Just think about how much more you would harvest per hr without the penalty and you will finally be on topic.
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mintas
Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:12 pm
#46
Serraphin wrote:
If the solo group nerf is as ill received as many believe then a large segment of the SWG populace is likely to pick up some level of scout, a droid, and food. Soon there may be organics a plenty without the help of any Rangers.
mintas wrote:
/agree... When I started this post my main concern was the amount we would collect when we were forced to hunt in groups after the combat rebalance. I understand where you would collect more resources as a group, and this would be great if everyone was throwing all the resources in a pot for one person, but this is just not the case. I do not think we should be able to solo high level content in game, especially rancors, but we should also not be penalized. And no matter what anybody saysthe only way you couldflood the market with to many organics is to have everyone on the server hunt for the same resource. In my 1.5 years playing meat prices have not changed, plain and simple is there is not enough of us to go around. Which in my opinion is a good thing...I like being special...
lunas wrote:
the issue is why do we as rangers have to accept a penalty on our abilitities when grouped, not the amount we can harvest per hr using tactics. No other profession has this issue. You ca argue back and forth about how you can harvest more per hr when grouped because you can kill things faster but again that isn't the issue. Just think about how much more you would harvest per hr without the penalty and you will finally be on topic.
Just my 2 creds
I think besides the Combat Rebalance the solo group nerf could have the most impact on us as a profession. The best way I have found to make money outside of solo grouping and crafting is to hunt resources. While the only time I did solo grouping was to compare the monitary intake between harvesting and solo grouping. I will always take the contract where I can make the most money. My best solo-grouping was 1.8mil in a 3:20 buff session, My best harvesting was 4 mil at 40cpu for rancors. Our ability to make money is there, but soon after the rebalance our ability to harvest will be signifiganly reduced due to grouping where we suffer a penalty. I believe ranger is the best profs in game, I just dont like to see us treated like red headed stepchildren, when no other group gets penalized for grouping...
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